Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hwang Jin-i (TV series)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   snowball keep Sceptre (talk) 08:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Hwang Jin-i (TV series)
Not notable for an English version; no references; bad grammar used. Y5nthon5a (talk) 03:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Hwang_Jin-i. Halifax Nomad (talk) 04:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions.   --  brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 04:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   --  brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 04:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep unless someone who speaks the language can say it should be deleted. We frequently have a bunch of sub-pages for English language TV shows.  One page for the show itself is not overkill.  Korea has a high level of technology, so I bet they have at least two RSs that discuss this show in detail.  If you think that the burden of proof is on the article creator, then that's a part of NOTE that's broken when it comes to foreign subjects. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 05:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Peregrine Fisher, you have made a good point. However, we need sources. Fails WP:V and WP:RS. Masterpiece2000   ( talk ) 08:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep What the Hell is going on at AfD? The cultural arrogance on display here is just astounding. This is a major TV show on a major historical figure on Korea's largest network. The article has bad grammar? Then FIX IT! It lacks sourcing? TAG IT UNSOURCED! You might, if you were feeling especially adventurous, even notify WikiProject Korea or even WikiProject Korea/Popular culture or WikiProject Films/Korean cinema task force that this article needs work. But even a lack of knowledge of Korea or the Korean language is still no excuse for this AfD since just a quick Google news search shows an article on the TV series in the Chicago Tribune (Jan 1, 2007)-- that's an American, English-language newspaper covering a Korean, Korean-language TV series. If that, in itself is not evidence of notability, there are the dozens of articles and sources specializing in Korea. Then, if we have the audacity to check Korean language sources, again, a quick Google news search brings up dozens of pages. Here is one, here is another. (Yes, the Chosun Ilbo and the Hankook Ilbo are major news sources in Korea.) This type of usage of AfD is getting to be beyond ridiculous. I've seen major, clearly notable Japanese, Korean and other-language TV-series put up for deletion just because "I ain't never heard of it," and people actually going along with this. Meanwhile, every episode of The Simpsons gets its own article-- because it's an American show, in English, which appeals to the average Wiki-editor demographic. Wikipedia's lack of coverage of subjects beyond the knowledge of the average American teen or tween is partly because this is the demographic of the average Wiki-editor. But the AfD is becoming the way to actively remove any article beyond the interest of this, globally, very small demographic. Dekkappai (talk) 17:33, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well if maybe the people that put this page up actually had more information, I wouldn't have AfD'd it. So now you know why it was AfD'd in the first place. Oh by the way, you HAVE to have references for us to keep pages here at wikipedia, not only that, but there's bad grammar and several other issues. Take those things into consideration. Y5nthon5a (talk) 17:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, we HAVE to have sourcing to keep an article here, do we? Let's take just a quick look through U.S. pop-culture at Wikipedia, shall we? Dick Dastardly-- unsourced. Muttley-- unsourced. Laff-A-Lympics-- unsourced. We could probably keep this up all day, but I'd rather spend my limited time here guarding major Japanese & Korean subjects from "never-heard-of-it"-type deletions... And the next time you come across an article where "there's bad grammar and several other issues" try either working on it, or notifying someone with interest in the subject to work on it. It would save us all a lot of time and effort. Dekkappai (talk) 19:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You have just proved why I said that. Those things you listed are well-known here in America. I do not know what your problem is, but the reason this is my SECOND deletion I'm trying to get regaurding the culture, it's because I go to "recent changes" on the left, then click on new pages. I make sure that there aren't any stupid pages being made. I am trying to clean up Wikipedia. Hell, I had a person make a movie page the other day (it's in AfD right now) because I guess the person wanted to be creative. It looked like a real movie, but they didnt have any sources so i tagged it. And everyone is saying to delete it. I dont do much research, but I wasn't sure if this page should be around, so I put it on AfD. If I didnt think it should be around at all, i would put it on speedy deletion. But I wasn't sure. That's why it's here. Y5nthon5a (talk) 21:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems you need to read Deletion policy, Y5nthon5a, and not use AfD as an easy way to get an article sourced. Personally, I would have been very happy to work on this article if you'd checked a Korean project, found my user name there, and dropped me a note. Or if you'd done this in any other similar way. But to threaten this article with deletion-- this is an extremely popular, award-winning Korean TV mini-series which was broadcast also in Taiwan and Japan-- seems to me to be unnecessarily disruptive. It is not my view of what AfD should be used for, though, obviously, many people disagree with me. Indeed, your path-- not researching or contributing, but threatening removal and telling others how and what to edit-- seems to be the general path to Adminship. So you probably don't want to listen to anything I have to say. "Never take advice from an old fool," as they say... Dekkappai (talk) 22:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I just want Wikipedia to be reliable as a source and not some joke or anything. You mistake me for being stubborn, I have no clue why. Y5nthon5a (talk) 22:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Notable series; the fact it's not an English-language production nor widely known in the English-speaking world is irrelevant. Needs expansion and cleanup, but that's a content issue not an AFD issue. 23skidoo (talk) 19:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy KEEP. I concur with Dekkappai. This is a notable enough to exist here. I don't understand the nominator's definition of "notability"--Caspian blue (talk) 21:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. It has been cleaned up. Y5nthon5a (talk) 22:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I ask that people please refrain from personal attacks, and stick to the argument rather than criticising the poster. If everyone was perfect all the time, wikipedia wouldn't exist. Halifax Nomad (talk) 22:45, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia  would exist, but not AFD :) DGG (talk) 00:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep. This was a very popular Korean series. SKS2K6 (talk) 00:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * SNOW Keep The Korean drama is admitted to be highly notable, and therefore is appropriate content for all Wikipedias in any language--there is no such thing as notability in a particular language--the english Wikipedia is a universal world wide encyclopedia, just written in English. DGG (talk) 00:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.