Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hyde Park Junior School (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. henrik • talk  15:09, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Hyde Park Junior School
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School's only claim to notability is that it is over 100 years. It has some history, but so would any organisation that old. That does not confer notability. Bob Re-born (talk) 16:29, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:48, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:ORG states:
 * When evaluating the notability of organizations or products, please consider whether they have had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education.
 * Emphasis added. To say that a hundred year old school doesn't met this is awfully arbitrary. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 18:56, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to Mutley Plain. History section has some useful info. As per ORG, definitely no referenced impact on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education. Fmph (talk) 20:44, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that a school has no impact on education? You've also just admitted that there is some useful information in history, so... &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 21:01, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No referenced impact. Prove me wrong. Fmph (talk) 21:11, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Does a school need a reference to say that it has an impact on education? It's like saying that the phrase "the sky appears to be blue" needs a reference at Sky. You're also rewriting WP:ORG to add in that "referenced" bit. So I'm not playing into your Strawman, sorry.
 * In any case WP:NRVE: "Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article." After hundred-plus years of operation - history and education, per my above quoted section from WP:ORG. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 21:28, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * and what exactly makes you think that I didn't consider that? Wouldn't you be better off finding these phantom references snd proving me wrong? Fmph (talk) 22:01, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge, redirect or delete: "Old" doesn't mean "historic", and "historic" doesn't mean "notable". My house turns 100 this year; it's probably historic but certainly ain't notable.  The general consensus is to toss school-related articles, and I see no reason to deviate from the general consensus  Purpleback  pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  00:27, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. This is a historic school whose notably is already proven through multiple reliable sources. It makes no sense to merge it with the locality article. Dahliarose (talk) 02:03, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:21, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - not only a historic school but the sources meet WP:ORG in any case. TerriersFan (talk) 21:51, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge a summary to Mutley Plain, where it is. The accepoted WP view is that Primary Schools are NN.  I take the view that they are best merged to the place where they are, rather than being deleted out of hand.  Education became compulsory in the 1870s.  Accordingly, a school a century old is northing execptional.  Its assocation with Drake is minimal: that would be better dealt with in an article on the neighourhood.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This article is far too long to be merged. Primary schools are a recent innovation and for most of its history this school has served the entire community who were eligible for education, therefore effectively making it equivalent to a secondary school today. Dahliarose (talk) 19:29, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

The work done by has transformed this article from being about a small non-notable primary school to a school, formerly educating much older children, with a significant and notable history. On that basis I am quite happy to change my vote to keep - even though I was the person who nominated it for deletion. --Bob Re-born (talk) 17:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. (e.c.) Thanks, Bob. I was going to say that I've expanded the article and added several new reference sources to help show that this school has much greater notability than that of an average junior school and that the delete/merge opinions above need to be reconsidered in the light of these new sources. But perhaps I don't need to, now :) —S MALL  JIM   17:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
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