Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hyder, Arizona


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The result was redirect to Camp Hyder. ✗ plicit  03:43, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hyder, Arizona

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The article in this case is a train wreck of unsourced claims, and those that I can check are at best misleading. To begin with, many of the things listed as being or occurring there actually were or happened at some distance. The school in question is thirteen miles to the southeast; there actually is a Hyder School District, but it is even farther away, at Dateland. Patton's training site was, from what I can tell, about five miles SSE; the Amtrak accident happened over 25 miles away. The building shown is/was there; I cannot verify the bar, though Streeview shows the wreckage of several other buildings along the road. All of this is consistent with the topos and aerials. So was this a town? Well, maybe, but not that I can easily verify, and virtually all the verbiage of the present article could be summarily deleted for lacking sourcing. This is another reason why having these stubs lying around is a problem: they aren't being watched, and people just put things in them based on who knows what sources. Mangoe (talk) 02:12, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arizona. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 04:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Camp Hyder. This WWII army camp is only 1 mile from the coords given in the Hyder article. This site calls Hyder a ghost town, but it is discussing the army base. The article claim the Gila River flows through Hyder, and the river is even farther south. This website, probably not a RS, calls it a small farming community, and the train derailment was reported to be "near Hyder". There is enough usage of the name that there should be a redirect, and the army camp is probably the best place.
 * Weak keep. This employee claim against the railroad confirms that there was at least a train station and a telegraph office at the location. Hyder gets a lot of mentions as the nearest settlement to a terrorist attack on a train in 1995, for instance .  This book identifies Hyder as the hiding place of Gary Tison while he was on the run in 1978.  The book calls it a "small desert town", but further describes it as "little more than a squatter's camp, where migrant workers slept in the harvest season."  In the summer it was "hardly habitable".  In conclusion, existence seems not to be in doubt, but legal recognition per WP:GEOLAND may be, hence weak keep.  Against that, Tison's hideout confers a small amount of notability. SpinningSpark 10:34, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This book confirms the existence of the Whispering Sands bar. Although an SPS, it is good enough (IMO) for the purpose of verifying this fact as it is a first-hand account. SpinningSpark 11:42, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Camp Hyder. Not a legally-recognized place under WP:GEOLAND, and none of the sources discuss the location in depth as required by GNG. When you clear out the coatrack stuff about things that happened nearby there's nothing left that could be used to write an article about the place. –dlthewave ☎ 18:09, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect per above. Since it's not legally recognised per WP:GEOLAND it has to pass the GNG and it clearly doesn't. Coverage of things which happened nearby is not significant coverage of the place itself.  Hut 8.5  09:21, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


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