Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hyder Kazmi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete with no prejudice against recreation once notability exists.

While there was no consensus to userfy/draftify, I'm willing to draftify the article on request. Regards  So  Why  12:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Hyder Kazmi

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Non notable actor/director who fails WP:NACTOR as well as WP:GNG. Created by a single purpose editor who uses the said person's name indicating possible COI. User:Melcous had PRODed the page besides adding multiple tags which was removed by the said editor with an outrageous claim that the actor has received the prestigious Dadasaheb Phalke Award in 2017 for a non-existent category. Lies, deceit and promotional-ism.  Jupitus Smart  16:50, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Weak delete: appears to be some claim to notability, but as written is self-promotional and the linked references mostly appear to be user generated content. Melcous (talk) 22:57, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  Jupitus Smart  12:22, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jupitus Smart @Melcous As informed earlier i am new here and getting some more new sources like time of india for proof. Hyderkazmi (talk) 06:11, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Being new does not give you a free hand to write such blatant lies on articles. Anyway I would like to see what source you can come up with for the claim that he won the Dadasaheb Phalke Award in 2017 (which incidentally will be announced only next year).  Jupitus Smart  06:15, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jupitus Smart This is a YouTube Video with proof of him getting the award. You might have a look at it. Also just to let you know that the image on his wiki page now has the award in his hands. Forgot to mention so had to update in the same source. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRuPnVEk4Ec Hyderkazmi (talk) 06:38, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Since you seem to be ignorant in a good faith manner, I will enlighten you on this. The Dada Saheb Film Foundation awards are non notable awards which are widely considered as paid awards - Huffington Post article. However the Dadasaheb Phalke Award is India's highest honour for film personalities. Have it changed in the article to Dada Saheb Film Foundation awards, which is what Kazmi won. As for the references, we need references from reliable sources to establish notability. Most of the references you have included do not qualify as reliable sources, according to WP:ICTF. As for the Times of India articles, all of them are Press releases sourced from non-reliable sources, which are reproduced in the Times of India, as mentioned in a footnote below each of the reports.
 * - is sourced from bhojpuriyacinema.com
 * ,, and - are sourced from bhojpurimedia.com
 * These cannot also be considered as reliable, as besides being sourced from non-reliable sources, they do not seem to have undergone any editorial oversight, and seems to have been reproduced as is, considering that all of them are very badly written. Also read WP:NACTOR to know what kind of references are required to establish notability for actors. Since he needs roles in multiple notable films, and none of his movies seem to be notable, I don't think he passes WP:NACTOR. Anyway, you seem to have a conflict of interest as you share your name with the actor. If you are indeed the actor or are paid by him, I would advise you to make a declaration regarding the same.  Jupitus Smart  07:10, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jupitus Smart I guess i got what you are trying to say. The sources are not reliable and are not posted by any reporter from the TOI. Those sources are from another websites. Now is there any solution to keep the article. He is an actor for sure and some people know him but there are no sources as of now i see. Need to search a bit and make sure those are reliable. Hyderkazmi (talk) 07:19, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as promotional and not meeting notability guidelines. If there is a prospect of improved sourcing, the article could be moved to Draft space and submitted through Articles for Creation(which is the best way for someone to submit an autobiographical article, if at all) 331dot (talk) 08:03, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

I see an update with 2 more authentic newspapers. Telegraph links updated. If i find more sources i'll make sure to update them as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyderkazmi (talk • contribs) 08:51, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know what to tell you Hyderkazmi. We generally don't allow creating Wikipages about oneself, though you seem to be civil and understanding about that. The Telegraph links are again about one of his movies, and not about the person, which still doesn't satisfy WP:NACTOR. And when I asked you to change the award, I thought I was clear that you should not link back to Dadasaheb Phalke Award, with the text on screen as Dada Saheb Phalke foundation Award. Also please do not edit the page with IPs to add original research, when you have an account. It is against sockpuppetry policies.  Jupitus Smart  09:51, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Ohh allright. I'll remove the link to Dadasaheb Phalke Award and i am still trying to find good sources. I might soon update. I know its against the guide lines but there must be some way in which i can be helped. I do not understand what should i do now. I just don't want this to be deleted. (Practically: Feeling annoyed.) Hyderkazmi (talk) 09:55, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The easiest thing to do is wait. Any article that is deleted can be recreated when you satisfy notability guidelines. So if your future movies and you get more press coverage from reliable sources in the future, the article can easily be recreated, ideally by someone other than you.  Jupitus Smart  09:59, 13 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Can you help me create it when i have more good sources published. Hyderkazmi (talk) 10:03, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I just saw that you had revealed on the talk page that you were Hyder Kazmi, when you created the page. I had an inkling of doubt earlier, though I was not sure. Anyway your interactions have been civil, unlike the slugfest that usually goes on in discussions involving Indian movie personalities, which I am used to as I edit in this field. Our autobiography policy discourages editors from creating articles about themselves, however notable they may be. As for your query, contact me on my talk page, when you feel that there are enough references about you. I am an Autopatrolled editor, and that comes with certain responsibilities. So I will try to help you create your article when you contact me in the future, though I will not create it myself, as that would bypass a review by another neutral editor. One of the reasons why we discourage autobiographical articles, is they can never be neutral and fair, and they tend to provide undue weight on the positives. I can therefore probably help to trim down your article to make it neutral, verifiable, and devoid of original research. I must also warn you that after creating your article, your page can be edited by anybody, who may add data that you may find demeaning. In such a case, there is no recourse for you, if the negative data is properly referenced, and it will end up doing more harm than good for your career.  Jupitus Smart  12:29, 13 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - non-notable autobiography. No issue if someone wants to draftify it so that it can be worked on under Jupitus Smart's tutelage.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:09, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


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