Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hylas Yachts


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Shimeru (talk) 19:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Hylas Yachts

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Spam by a Fort Lauderdale dealer specializing in, guess what, Hylas Yachts! Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  23:13, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak keep Article is spammy in tone, but that can be corrected via editing rather than deletion. Some sources are listed which are independent and reliable in nature, indicating that the subject has coverage as needed by WP:N.  -- Jayron  32  22:07, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:47, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: The company appears notable but this article needs to be cleaned up and de-spammed. Toddst1 (talk) 16:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: A notable company, Toddst1's edits seem to have taken care of most of the spam and the editor has shown a willingness to work within the guidelines. Smartse (talk) 17:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, this is really cool. I was hoping for some collaboration.  Especially thanks to Toddst1.  I will make some notes on the discussion page.  How about a criticism section to help neutralize the article out? RJ (talk) 23:11, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I ran across Cabo Rico Yachts while doing page patrol. This article, by the same man, is a similar case of a notable smaller manufacturer.

I note that there are currently 49 Hylas boats for sale on YachtWorld, and while that is not conclusive evidence of notability, it's certainly suggestive. There are other manufacturers bluelinked on List of sailboat designers and manufacturers with significantly smaller numbers.

It appears from User:R Jordan that he is a yacht broker, so yes, he has a financial interest in the industry, but not an obvious particular interest in this brand. The comment above
 * "Spam by a Fort Lauderdale dealer specializing in, guess what, Hylas Yachts!"

is unfair. He disclosed his interest in the industry on his user page -- certainly many users are not so forthright. A glance at his company's web site shows 3 Hylas boats out of 20 boats listed for sale -- more than I might expect, but there is no indication that he is a dealer or has any special relationship with Hylas.

As his User page comments, certainly Wikipedia would be better off with more and better articles on yachts. While we cannot be Consumer Reports, we should certainly provide background. This is a reasonable start on this brand.

I know, of course, that expert opinion is not allowed in articles, but I'm not sure of its standing in this kind of discussion. I've been sailing for forty years, including a circumnavigation, and have, thirty years ago, built and sold boats for a living. I have no connection whatsoever with Hylas or Mr. Jordan other than having seen the boats occasionally.

I have some concerns over the use of images in the article. Wikipedia is not an image repository. It might be better if the images were thumbnailed into the list of Models, something that I would be willing to do if the vote is for Keep. Also, if the vote is Keep, we should take a closer look at the fair use rationale for several of the photos. The images that Mr. Jordan has taken himself should be uploaded to Commons. Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 17:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I have had concerns over the images as well. It seems like promotional shots not taken by myself are not fair use.  I would like to see the fair use images thumbnailed into the models but do not know the right wiki formatting. RJ (talk) 18:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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