Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hywel Gwynfryn


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. WjBscribe 05:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Hywel Gwynfryn

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I removed an inappropriate speedy delete template since there is an assertion of notability. This is a procedural AfD on which I therefore abstain. TerriersFan 17:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * weak delete This could be made into a good article, but at this time there is no claim of applicable secondary source of bio information; and hosting a radio show certainly doesn't go anywhere near the notability criterion and that's the only claim in the article besides a very brief statement of birth and education.  Coren 18:44, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * comment I agree that if some of that information from the Welsh 'pedia establishes notoriety, my vote would change to keep.  Perhaps there is someone from the Welsh Wikipedia that can be found to comment?  Coren 21:23, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to reaffirm my delete. I've checked [the welsh article], and it seems exactly as stubby as the english version, and since I see no more cites on that page I expect it has no more established notoriety.  Coren 21:28, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep for now as this article was created today and based upon talkpage statement that there is a great deal of additional information on the Welsh Wikipedia that can be brought to the article. It can be renominated if the article does include greater assertion of notability after a reasonable time. Newyorkbrad 21:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * comment My initial impression, on encountering the Hywel Gwynfryn article, of satisfaction that somebody notable (to me) had made it to the English Wikipedia, was tempered by surprise that it had immediately been listed for speedy deletion. The suggestion that hosting a radio show isn't enough to make somebody notable is perhaps contradicted by the article belonging to a category for Welsh radio presenters, itself a sub-category of wider categories of radio presenters, most of whose members are there simply because they host a radio show. The notability criterion refers to enterertainers who have "made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment". As a radio presenter, Hywel Gwynfryn has made a significant contribution to Welsh-language bradcasting. Before the introduction of Welsh-language channel BBC Radio Cymru in 1977, Hywel Gwynfryn hosted the innovative Helo Sut 'Dach Chi? show, one of very few Welsh-language radio programmes in the 1960s/1970s, and probably the only one listed to by young people of the time. When BBC Radio Cymru was launched, he was one of its main anchors and continues to this day. But quite apart from his work as radio presenter in both Welsh and English, he has presented television programmes, is an author and charity fund-raiser, and is almost as well-known for his witty song lyrics and Welsh pantomime contributions. All this will, no doubt, become clear, with citations, as the current stub develops.  It is true that the Welsh Wikipedia doesn't say a great deal more, but to be fair it must be recognised that the Welsh Wikipedia is still some way behind the English in terms of length of articles and standard of citations.D22 22:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * comment-comment I would probably argue that this makes her notable enough for the Welsh Wikipedia, but dubiously so for the english one.  YMMV.  Coren 00:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Him, by the way. KP Botany 01:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.