Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I'm Charlie Walker


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  10:15, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm Charlie Walker

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This is a procedural nomination to discuss what should be done with this article, whether it meets WP:GNG, whether it should be renamed, whether it should be redirected, or some combination of those options. An editor who claims to be the director of the film and is also the creator of the article is being disruptive at the article, and that disruption needs to stop. Bbb23 (talk) 16:57, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete/Move without leaving a redirect to Draft:I'm Charlie Walker and salt I'm Charlie Walker at Extended Confirmed Proection (to allow a neutral AfC reviewer to move it back to Main: namespace, if and when such a move is warranted) per nom. It's not mentioned, explicitly, in the target article Mike Colter, and it's only purpose is to redirect to a reference in that section of the article. It would probably survive RfD due to the lack of an explicit mention with the inclusion of I'm. In short, it's more trouble than it's worth. The correct place for the editor to incubate the sub-stub is at Draft:I'm Charlie Walker. --Doug Mehus T · C  17:08, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * When you posted It would probably survive RfD due to the lack of an explicit mention did you mean It wouldn't probably survive (...). FWIW, the mention of America Is Still the Place in Mike Colter could be (and probably should be) tweaked to reflect the new name of the movie and the unreleased status of the movie, if it can be supported by at least one reliable source; article content doesn't need to be notable, only verifiable. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:05, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete. All I could find was the IMDb entry cited in the article. IMDb is one of the classic examples of what is not a WP:RS; see Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Fails WP:NFILM and WP:GNG. Narky Blert (talk) 21:47, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: The page was recently moved from America Is Still the Place to it's current title. The article was originally created back in 2015; so, perhaps there are some reliable sources which can be found under its old title. If not, then this might be a case of WP:TOOSOON and a redirect might be a cheap way to take a wait-and-see approach. Once the film has been released or at least gets closer to its release day, it might start to generate the WP:SIGCOV it needs to meet WP:NFILM. I don't, however, think there's any problem with the original creator working on a draft for the article, even if they're subject to WP:COI/ WP:PAID as long as they submit it to WP:AFC for assessment when they think it's ready for the mainspace. Ideally, it would probably be better for someone unconnected to the film to try and create an article about it, but AFC should cleanup any possible COI issues, etc. and vet the draft for proper sourcing. Anyone connected to the film, however, who wants to works on the draft would be better off following WP:DISCLOSECOI asap and then WP:COIADVICE if the draft does end up becoming an article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:05, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. See also the open discussion at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 February 8. Narky Blert (talk) 23:36, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , What do you think of my alternate proposal, which would allow the editor, if they so choose, to incubate the article in Draft: namespace? Salting the Main: namespace title I'm Charlie Walker would allow any neutral, experienced editor, preferably from the AfC team, to move it back if and and only when WP:GNG and/or WP:NFILM is met, no? Doug Mehus T · C  00:18, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I left a comment on the editor's Talk page where they are insisting there is no America Is Still the Place film and pointing to IMDb as proof: "Surely you can understand how it's confusing, particularly since IMDb is not a reliable source. The film America Is Still The Place opened the 2016 Pan African Film & Arts Festival and Sacramento Film & Music Festival, opened the 2015 San Francisco Black Film Festival, and was shown at the Harlem International Film Festival." I'm not familiar with film festivals so I don't know if any of those are considered major festivals, enough to support notability, but maybe there are more I'm just not finding. Schazjmd   (talk)  18:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for the research; that's more or less what I thought. It could be a case of being a useful redirect, but given low utility of this title as a redirect as evidenced by its low pageviews for the preceding twelve months, that's why I've recommended WP:ECP salting the title in main namespace. Doug Mehus T · C  18:44, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete As film festivals are likely venue for incomplete film projects and films that are never finished, or never released. There are no sources showing a completion date, or release date for this film. No source justifying this is a notable work. The consensus seems to favor deleting and awaiting a notable release. 5patrickgilles5 (talk) 02:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, Article provides no sources, does not say it if it was released , shown anywhere,  Alex-h (talk) 10:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.