Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I, claudius 'A touch of murder'


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. yandman 16:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I, claudius 'A touch of murder'
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Contested PROD. However, this article is a fork from I, Claudius (TV series) and List of I, Claudius episodes and adds little to either; there's nothing to establish independent notability of this episode above any of the others. Rodhull andemu  22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I know its not very good at the moment or notable, but it will be soon it just needs some work. I don't think the I, Claudius page gives enough depth and just skims over the surface of the TV series and by adding an episode guide for each episode, it will mean that people can learn more about the episodes. (Beinghuman900 (talk) 22:10, 27 February 2009 (UTC))
 * Merge and Redirect to List of I, Claudius episodes - brief plot detail of each episode would seem valuable in the main article (if referenced and not WP:OR) but there seems insufficent reason to cleave off just one episode into a full article. The argument by Beinghuman900 above is dubious - if the main article does not have enough depth improve the main article - don't create another one. Pedro :  Chat  22:21, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The argument to delete is about WP:OTHERSTUFF; Notability of fiction is tricky but this will have substantial viewing figures and the BBC DVD boxsets sell well. Not a great article at present, but the creator - whilst having isses in the past - has demonstrated good faith edits in trying to improve the article since its earlier csd. WP:Television_episodes suggests Avoid listing episodes for AfD unless they are completely unverifiable and original research. - there is a notability process for episodes if necessary. I undertake to help tidy the article. --  Chzz  ►  23:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF doesn't really apply to this debate; this is more what I had in mind. -- Rodhull andemu  23:09, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand, however, this is quite an iconic, classic series with some of the biggest UK TV stars in their early careers. The creation of this article might provoke ones for other episodes. I've already started work to improve the article and would appreciate the opportunity to give it a chance to develop. --  Chzz  ►  00:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep It isn't a fork it is an article on a single episode containing an expanded plot summary and real world information on its airing. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - whilst not participating on the merits of the article, can I suggest that the title A Touch of Murder (I, Claudius episode) or some equivalent would be better? Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 08:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Episode of a particularly notable TV series, often ranking highly on lists of the best British drama series ever produced. I see no reason we shouldn't have individual episode articles for this series. JulesH (talk) 09:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Evidently notable, this is a breakout, not a fork. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I do intend to write episode articles for the other episodes as well. Like earlier post have said, this is one the Britain's greatest TV programs, so episode guides are almost necessary, so people can know more about this epic and iconic drama. (Beinghuman900 (talk) 15:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC))
 * Keep. The nominator's reasoning is faulty. The statement "there's nothing to establish independent notability of this episode above any of the others" can just as well lead to the conclusion that the other episodes should have articles as it can mean that this one shouldn't. This is one of the most celebrated TV drama series ever, so if individual episodes can't have articles then we might as well just have a blanket prohibition on all TV episode articles. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify that my reasoning may well have been true at the time it was written, but may not be now. And there has been disagreement in the past over whether individual episodes of some television series have achieved sufficient independent notability to warrant a whole article. -- Rodhull andemu  20:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - should be renamed to A Touch of Murder.  ~EdGl (talk) 20:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of I, Claudius episodes: there is no indication that this particular episode has any prominence beyond the series as whole, and no "significant coverage" on this particular episode to support a separate article. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 12:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - although it does need improvements. Wordssuch (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to A Touch of Murder per WP:NAME (should another article of that name be needed, A Touch of Murder (I, Claudius) would be a plausible alternative). There is no blanket prohibition of articles on individual television episodes - counterexamples involving South Park and Doctor Who are abundant - provided the article itself demonstrates the episode's individual notability. B.Wind (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the name should be changed to A Touch of Murder (I, Claudius) but I don't know how to do it. Could anybody help please. (Beinghuman900 (talk) 18:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC))
 * I went ahead and moved the page per naming conventions. Hope it's okay I did it in the middle of an AfD... ~EdGl   (talk)  18:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.