Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I-85 Rivalry (2nd nomination)


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The result was   no consensus. NW ( Talk ) 22:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I-85 Rivalry
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I don't think this is a notable rivaly. BUC (talk) 07:10, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Almost no sources. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 12:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I think there's enough references out there to be found. A cursory check found, and there's possibly hundreds, if not thousands, more . I think the term is not able enough, and the coverage deep enough. The article needs more work, but that's not a reason for deletion. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a spinoff of Intradivisional rivalries in the National Football Conference, and I see this as opening the door to declare that all intradivisional rivalries should have their own article. Each NFL team plays the other three teams in its division at least twice a year, at home and away.  The parent article also has the rivalries of Falcons-Saints, Panthers-Saints, Panthers-Bucs, along with several examples of a "signature moment" for each one (my feeling is that the definition of a signature moment is that it is the one that typifies the rivalry in general, but then again, I feel that few teams have more than one bitter rival).  Do an article called NFC South rivalries if you must, but there aren't very many that are classic matchups, regardless of how much hype Fox Sports might give.  Mandsford (talk) 20:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets notability per Hammersoft's sources. Rlendog (talk) 19:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see any evidence that either the Atlanta Falcons or the Carolina Panthers consider each other to be significant rivals, let alone the NFL. The question is not whether the phrase is used, but whether the rivalry is notable.  Mandsford (talk) 21:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 *  Weak keep  changed to Redirect to NFC South rivalries or somesuch - if the average NFC East rivalry is akin to Lennon vs. McCartney, the NFC South is about on par with two high school bands arguing over who gets the closing set in a battle of the bands - that said, the teams share a certain geographical proximity; they play in the same conference; and given that the South divisions are "new" conferences (mostly made up of the leftovers when the NFL went from 5/5/5 East/Central/West to the current 4/4/4/4 East/North/West/South structure), I'd say it's reasonably notable, especially owing to the way NFL schedules are formed - intradivisional games are basically de-facto rivalries in much the same fashion that college football "end of year" matchups are. Badger Drink (talk) 05:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC) Upon re-evaluation, I largely agree with Mandsford - there simply isn't a lot of history here, and what results is the NFL version of "New York Yankees / Toronto Blue Jays rivalry". It's not Cowboys-Redskins, or even Patriots-Colts. It'd be much better served as a brief subsection within a broader-scoped parent article. Badger Drink (talk) 05:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per reliable sources with substantial coverage. A rename is worth considering. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.