Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I.G. Brown Air National Guard Training and Education Center


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. As there is no clear consensus here, I am closing it as such, but without prejudice against a speedy renomination. Just one note: although the Air National Guard certainly is notable, that does not imply that all the institutions of the ANG are inherantly notable - reliable, independent sources are required to verify the fact of individual centres, etc.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 04:18, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I.G. Brown Air National Guard Training and Education Center

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The article is directly copied form the source   Roh G ??   &middot; &#32; 16:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

This article is directly copied (actually it's not directly, but very closely copied) from the source because it is owned by the same organization as the source. Our commander asked us to create a Wikipedia page for our organization, so I used the information we created for our Fact Sheet Page. Just trying to follow orders here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angtectv  (talk • contribs)  16:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Orders or no, this page does not meet WP:N nor WP:RS as far as I can tell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MyNameWasTaken (talk • contribs) 16:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

"Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article."

Here are some third-party sources verifying the I.G. Brown Air National Guard Training and Education Center:
 * 1) http://www.blounttoday.com/news/2011/jan/24/ang-tec-welcomes-new-commander/
 * 2) http://www.armedforces.com/category/north-america/united-states/tennessee/mcghee-tyson-airportang/
 * 3) http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/mcghee-tyson.htm
 * 4) http://states.ng.mil/sites/MA/News/Pages/Air%20Guard%20builds%20relationships%20with%20business%20leaders.aspx

--Angtectv (talk) 17:47, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I know questioning your superiors in the military may be insubordination, but could you tell your superior officer that Wikipedia articles shouldn't be written directly by their subjects? We try hard to be an objective encyclopedia, and it is nearly impossible to be objective when creating and writing articles about yourself or your organization. If you really must try to create a page, you should look over our guidelines for editing with a conflict of interest.  Them From  Space  18:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Will do. Thank you for pointing me in the direction of the COI page for further information. It's all a learning process for us. --Angtectv (talk) 18:39, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep; although there is obvious COI issues here, looking at the searches available this might be locally notable, and there are sufficient reliable sources to indicate notability. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 07:03, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. This is not a copyvio, since U.S. federal government publications are automatically in the public domain. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - per RightCowLeftCoast. IMO this sounds like a not insignificant training institution in the Air National Guard and as pointed out above there is coverage, albeit limited, in WP:RS. Seems likely to be notable under the WP:GNG. Anotherclown (talk) 20:54, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete not a major military organization. 82 full time regular staff? absurd, we do not keep technical schools at that level. .   DGG ( talk ) 03:05, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Keep: reference comment on TEC size; TEC graduates in excess of 3000 students per year and is the largest NCO Academy in the Air Force. The average daily student load is in excess of 300. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.246.25.153  (talk • contribs)  00:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 18:15, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Could use a few more sources, but I agree with RightCowLeftCoast and Anotherclown regarding notability, especially as the Air National Guard is certainly notable in itself. Several Times (talk) 19:16, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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