Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ICD-10 Chapter I: Certain infectious and parasitic diseases


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

ICD-10 Chapter I: Certain infectious and parasitic diseases

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Copyright violation - ICD-10 is licensed as CC BY-SA-NC, NC being incompatible with Wikipedia. This is a batch nomination which will include other articles below, as well as some potentially related ones that may also be copyvios. Using AFD instead of speedy to form community discussion and have a record of said discussion, per prior discussion on WT:MED bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 19:45, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 19:45, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Batch contents

 * ICD-10 Chapter I: Certain infectious and parasitic diseases
 * ICD-10 Chapter II: Neoplasms
 * ICD-10 Chapter III: Diseases of the blood and blood-forming organs, and certain disorders involving the immune mechanism
 * ICD-10 Chapter IV: Endocrine, nutritional and metabolic diseases
 * ICD-10 Chapter V: Mental and behavioural disorders
 * ICD-10 Chapter VI: Diseases of the nervous system
 * ICD-10 Chapter VII: Diseases of the eye, adnexa
 * ICD-10 Chapter VIII: Diseases of the ear and mastoid process
 * ICD-10 Chapter IX: Diseases of the circulatory system
 * ICD-10 Chapter X: Diseases of the respiratory system
 * ICD-10 Chapter XI: Diseases of the digestive system
 * ICD-10 Chapter XII: Diseases of the skin and subcutaneous tissue
 * ICD-10 Chapter XIII: Diseases of the musculoskeletal system and connective tissue
 * ICD-10 Chapter XIV: Diseases of the genitourinary system
 * ICD-10 Chapter XV: Pregnancy, childbirth and the puerperium
 * ICD-10 Chapter XVI: Certain conditions originating in the perinatal period
 * ICD-10 Chapter XVII: Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities
 * ICD-10 Chapter XVIII: Symptoms, signs and abnormal clinical and laboratory findings
 * ICD-10 Chapter XIX: Injury, poisoning and certain other consequences of external causes
 * ICD-10 Chapter XX: External causes of morbidity and mortality
 * ICD-10 Chapter XXI: Factors influencing health status and contact with health services
 * ICD-10 Chapter XXII: Codes for special purposes
 * ICD-10 Clinical Modification likely copyvio for the same reason as the others - even if the US government released it to public domain, it copies heavily from the WHO document, making the US government's "pd status" invalid as they did not have the right under the share-alike, non commercial, license to do so.

Comments

 * Delete at least batch 1, undecided on other two articles - these articles are straight from a work that is copyrighted, is not available under a free licence, and thus are ineligible for Wikipedia. There is no way that an entire copying of ICD is encyclopedic (even if it was available under a free licence), and it would fail multiple parts of the requirements to host non free content. These have been articles forever, attribution in the history is all kinds of funky because of multiple combinations/splits, and thus bringing them to AFD to have record of the reasons for deletion. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 20:04, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Someone claiming to be Robert Jakob commented on Arcadian's talk page back in 2006 that WHO has given permission to present ICD-10 in wikipedia. This was then copied to Talk:ICD-10. If it could be confirmed that it was in fact Dr Jacob (not that I would have anyway of doing so); would that address the copyright issue, or would the change in licence to CC BY-SA-NC 3.0 in 2016 override the 2006 "declaration"? Little pob (talk) 20:45, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The full quote with context is: WHO has given permission to present ICD-10 in wikipedia. However no publisher may change content or structure of the classifcation - this is akin to a "you can republish, but you cannot make any changes [i.e. no derivatives]" - so it's actually a more restrictive license than it is available under now (that declaration would be akin to a CC BY-SA-NC-ND, i.e. no commercial, no derivatives). Wikipedia cannot host material as "free" based on a "you can present ICD-10 in Wikipedia" - the material must be eligible to copy and license under the CC BY-SA 3.0 license, or meet our non-free rules, neither of which seems to be the case here. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 20:56, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, per Copying text from other sources and Donating copyrighted materials, When you contribute material to Wikipedia, you are not giving us exclusive use of it. You still retain any rights you previously held, but you are giving non-exclusive license under Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA) and the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). These licenses allow anyone—not just Wikipedia—to share, distribute, transmit, and adapt your work, provided that you are attributed as the author. There is no way to say "you can use this in Wikipedia, but not anywhere else or in derivative works." Also, because some derivative works may be commercial, we cannot accept materials that are licensed only for educational use or even for general non-commercial use. The bolding is present in the original quote, the italics were added by me to point out relevant parts. Thus, while that declaration was likely made in good faith, and the users took it in good faith when they copied the material into WP, that declaration has never been a valid declaration per current policy. Furthermore, there would need to be a clear indication the material is not under the license as the rest of the material on the page, which there isn't on any of these. But again, don't think they are encyclopedic to begin with, so... bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 21:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for pinging. My understanding of the However no publisher may change content or structure of the classifcation part of "Dr Jakob's" comment is that it's referencing that Wikipedia originally listed the chapter numbers using Arabic numbers rather than Roman numerals. I doubt anyone who needed codes would come to Wikipedia rather than WHO's online browser anyway (will cast a !vote below). Little pob (talk) 18:15, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Deleté Unlikely to be resolvable, the WHO have their reasons for the specific license and keeping would require a wholesale change to Wikipedia's license. We can just link to the WHO's site for this it is likely to remain there indefinitely and is organised in the same way. PainProf (talk) 00:28, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ICD10 CDC version comment the CDC says on their website they have licensed it for Government use only, not in Public domain either. PainProf (talk) 00:52, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment DSM5 The sections in the DSM 5 article for deletion may need be expanded. I found the change descriptions quite curiously phrased, they look like they are directly taken from the APA source which is says its copyright APA? Seems to affect entire changes section in that article. PainProf (talk) 03:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete because they are a copyright violation. Additionally, we are WP:NOTDIRECTORY and really shouldn't be mirroring this content if it is available at an authoritative central location (which is the WHO), whereas our list can be reworded, tinkered with and potentially fall out of date more easily. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete them all (first batch and the rest). DSM has already come after us once, and are very strict about their copyright.  The WHO conditions are not compatible with Wikipedia licensing, and we've duplicated the entire ICD_10 ... and also, all the reasons given by Tom (LT).  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  02:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think the DSM articles/lists/templates should be covered by a separate AfD because they are a different organisation with different licence (or none?). I also think the following need discussed too as they are included along with ICD-10 by WHO as requiring payment for commercial use. While, the ICD-O article shouldn't be deleted, it needs trimmed of the list and to be written more like the ICF article.
 * International Classification of Diseases for Oncology -- mostly the list
 * International Classification of Functioning, Disability and Health -- current text is fine
 * ICD-10 Procedure Coding System -- a table -- is this included?
 * ICD-11 MMS Chapter 1: Certain infectious or parasitic diseases -- looks like someone started on ICD-11, which presumably has the same issues
 * -- Colin°Talk 07:28, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * OPS-301 may need adding to the list, as it is based on WHO's International Classification of Procedures in Medicine. It's worth mentioning that, despite having "ICD-10" in its name, ICD-10 Procedure Coding System is owned (by which I mean developed and maintained) by CMS rather than WHO. I've no idea as to ICD-10-PCS's copyright compatibility with Wikipedia though... Little pob (talk) 19:04, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've struck everything other than the ICD-10 lists themselves (and the US list which is a copyvio as it's not licensed either per above) from this AFD. I think the recommendation that DSM be covered by a separate AFD, as well as non-list ICD articles by a separate AFD, is a good suggestion. The PCS seems to me like it's a derivative work of the ICD itself, thus if ICD-10 is not permissible on Wikipedia, by definition any derivative would not be (as the ICD is not licensed under anything other than a "share alike", meaning that the derivative would have to be shared under an equally restrictive license). I'm happy to work with you, Colin, and others to form lists of related articles if you guys want to - happy to work on wiki, or communicate via email/another method if you guys prefer. I'm very sporadic as to what time I have to edit right now, and many times it's just fixing things I come across when browsing WP for other reasons, so I don't want to commit to further AFD batching for this at this moment - but I'll certainly try. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 19:14, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've struck the DSM and agree those should be covered separately after more investigation to complete. I also agree that some of the other ICD-10 related articles need cleaning up as well, so I've struck everything except the ICD-10 copies and the US adaptation page so we can focus on the other ICD-10, DSM, and ICD-11 related articles in a separate batch AFD for each. I'm happy to work with you to create lists to start that process, but it may be slower for me as this investigation itself was made easier based on the linking of each chapter from the main ICD-10 page. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 19:14, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per licencing incompatibility arguments made above. Little pob (talk) 18:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete That these are a copyvio overrides any other arguments for or against. No prejudice to creating summary articles for describing the history, impact, etc., of the various chapters, if there are sources for it. -- 20:42, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see any other option. - Amousey (they/them pronouns) (talk) 15:44, 1 August 2020 (UTC)


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