Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IDEA – List for Veneto


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The result was delete. Star  Mississippi  19:59, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

IDEA – List for Veneto

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The subject, which is introduced as a political party, was in reality just a local electoral list like many others in Italy, composed of two parties: Solidary Ethical Movement and Greens. This electoral list only got a mere 0.7% of the votes in the 2010 regional election in Veneto, I do not see any encyclopedic relevance on this page... Scia Della Cometa (talk) 13:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Politics, Christianity,  and Italy.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. Every little piece of political history deserves a space in Wikipedia, whose greatness lies specifically in gathering and organising infos which would be difficult to find elsewhere. This political party was a very interesting political experiment and, while it did not achieve success, it deserves a space in Wikipedia. Moreover, from this experience, a green local political party obtained notable electoral results in the city of Padua (8.1% in 2014, 11.5% in 2017 and 6.0% in 2022)—it could also have an article of its own, as Livable Rotterdam and others. A minor party in a polity like Veneto, counting 5 million people, is definitely more relevant than minor extra-parliamentary parties from small countries, of which Wikipedia is full (and, as an inclusionist, I happy of that too). The article is properly sourced and is clearly relevant for Wikipedia. Of course, it is not easy to find more sources on an old minor political party, but it is very important that Wikipedia keeps having articles also on little-known subjects. If, regrettably, there is no consensus on keeping it as a stand-alone article, let's merge it with the Federation of Greens, at least, even though it is clearly better for readers to navigate from article to article than finding infos on a subject in larger articles. --Checco (talk) 14:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The most important thing is how many votes a party/list has received (few in this case) and how much is known and treated in the sources (and also in this case the sources are very few). The results you've showed were obtained from other civic lists, not from IDEA – List for Veneto. And even if the Civic Coalition ( not IDEA – List for Veneto ) has achieved not negligible results in a city as important as Padua, it is not exactly the same as a party like Livable Rotterdam has obtained 30% of the votes in a city with more than 600,000 inhabitants (even if the relevance of a party should not be demonstrated by comparing it with other pages). Honestly, I don't see how a list that scored 0.6% in a single regional election could be merged with a party with thirty years of national political experience: the Italian Greens have created a multitude of such local lists... --Scia Della Cometa (talk) 17:13, 3 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete -- A short-lived electoral list, not even a political party. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:52, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete/merge An electoral list isn't the same as a party, and it's untrue that every little thing deserves a space, or at least not an article. Can be mentioned in respective election or party articles, but poor performance at the local/regional level doesn't win you a stand-alone page. Reywas92Talk 22:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak delete political parties are kind of notable, however I see it was not a classical party but a electoral list-project in local region. --2A01:C22:7231:3800:DC94:D85A:E399:69DE (talk) 11:49, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Italian users needed here I suppose 2A01:C22:7231:3800:DC94:D85A:E399:69DE (talk) 12:02, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Soft keep kinda special coalition Braganza (talk) 12:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What is special about this coalition?--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 13:45, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Scia Della Cometa it deserves remaining in Wikipedia. 95.117.31.251 (talk) 15:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * yes... but why?--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 16:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * well its a merger of greens (which are more ecosocialist than green liberal in italy) and christian democrats Braganza (talk) 16:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I honestly still do not see anything special in this local list which, moreover, has obtained a forgettable electoral result...--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 19:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - 1) local/regional party, with local notability only at most; 2) no inherent notability: the fact that a party exists/existed doesn't mean it deserves an article in Wikipedia. P1221 (talk) 08:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Leaning towards keep, even given the minor nature of the electoral list, as there is no current natural choice of article for the information within to be preserved elsewhere via a merger. --Autospark (talk) 10:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Considering that the last part has nothing to do with the list, the little initial information could be integrated directly into 2010 Venetian regional election.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete – Wikipedia does not need to contain articles on all parties who got 0.x% at regional elections. Unless they are notable enough to have extensive coverage in sources, which is not this case. Yakme (talk) 14:34, 12 July 2022 (UTC)


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