Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IEEE Open Journal of the Communications Society


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to IEEE Communications Society. Salvio 21:51, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

IEEE Open Journal of the Communications Society

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Article PRODded with reason "Non-notable, just established journal, too young to be notable yet (WP:TOOSOON). Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." Article dePRODded by article creator with reason "It is from a well established organisation IEEE. Many articles are already published since Jan 2020. It is an annual published journal and meets WP:GNG". However, notability is WP:NOTINHERITED, even respective publishers create the occasional dud (see examples on my user page), and there is no indication that this meets GNG. PROD reason therefore still stands, hence: Delete. Randykitty (talk) 18:17, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academic journals-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

*Keep the journal do meets WP:GNG and is indexed in IEEE Xplore and INSPEC. It is an annual edition not monthly or quarterly like others. I don't think IEEE publishes to create the occasional, that too 14 OA journals together. If they discontinue in future, it can be merged with IEEE Communications Society page. ~ Amkgp 💬  19:06, 6 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: It is understood that the nominator is in favor of deletion, by making the WP:AFD. So, the vote within the explanation seems unnecessary and a kind of WP:BLUDGEON to me in good faith. As per WP:NJournals Criterion 3 (C3) 3.a) Journal age is not a consideration here. So it would be unfair to tag a journal just established journal, too young to be notable yet ~ Amkgp  💬  19:06, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. There is not a shred of evidence of this meeting GNG. Being indexed in IEEE Xplore is beyond trivial, that's the journal access platform of the publisher. It's like arguing that an Elsevier journal is notable because it is on ScienceDirect. Being listed in Inspec is not generally considered sufficient for meeting NJournals (and even less GNG). The periodicity of the journal is completely irrelevant to notability (and it's not "annual", but like most OA journals its continually published). Arguing "If they discontinue in future, it can be merged with IEEE Communications Society page." is akin to saying "it's not notable yet". The remark about "just established journal, too young to be notable yet" is just meant to recognize that this may become notable in the future, but that right now (as the article creator acknowledges just above) it is not notable yet. --Randykitty (talk) 21:09, 6 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to IEEE Communications Society . Changed my vote after going through the points put up by ~ Amkgp  💬  21:44, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Engineering-related deletion discussions. Kj cheetham (talk) 21:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to IEEE Communications Society as WP:TOOSOON. -Kj cheetham (talk) 21:46, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: This proposed deletion seems like artificial bureaucratic fussiness. Wikipedia should not be a bureaucracy. IEEE ComSoc is a major scholarly organization that produces only very high quality journals. They simply don't publish any junk journals. Randykitty's examples of failed journals from respectable publishers do not include any from IEEE ComSoc or even from the entire IEEE, and most of the failed publications listed there seem to still be notable enough to have Wikipedia articles. The editor-in-chief of this journal, Octavia Dobre, is a very highly distinguished professor with a strong track record of producing high quality peer-reviewed journals (see here and here). Our time would be much better spent converting the red link for Octavia Dobre into an article and looking for articles on topics of clearly lesser notability for proposed deletion. Megalibgwilia (talk) 15:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: that !vote basically argues that we should do away with AfD because it is too bureaucratic... In any case, nobody said that this journal is junk. We are not here to judge the quality of the journal, but its notability. Chances are indeed that in time this will become notable, but even while published by a reputable publisher, that is not certain at all (see the examples on my talk page of journals established by solid, reputable publishers that nonetheless fizzled after a few years without ever becoming notable). In any case, I can live with a redirect as proposed by several participants. That way the history is preserved and if the journal become notable a few years from now ("if", not "when"), the article can easily be restored and updated where needed. As for Dobre, she's likely notable (albeit it probably not as an editor) and instead of writing snarky comments, it is indeed a better use of time to write a bio for her. --Randykitty (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry if my comments appeared "snarky", as that was not my intent. I simply think this discussion is a waste of time and the journal is clearly notable. That is my opinion, and is not "snark". I have begun an article about Prof. Dobre and would would welcome help with that. Megalibgwilia (talk) 16:19, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to IEEE Communications Society per Randykitty and Amkgp. I don't see anything really that could be merged. IEEE Communications Magazine and IEEE Wireless Communications should also have minimal content merged and the redirected.  // Timothy ::  talk  03:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , IEEE Communications Magazine and IEEE Wireless Communications passes WP:NJournals clearly. Both are high impact peer-reviewed journals indexed in most major indexing databases. Merging and redirect them currently is un-necessary. ~ Amkgp  💬  04:15, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Reply: agreed regarding notability, but nothing says they must have their own article just because they pass. Just a suggestion because they are short stubs and they might be better positioned in the larger article. Either way, I don't feel strongly enough about it to even finish this sentenc   // Timothy ::  talk  04:29, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , If you visit WikiProject Academic Journals, you will find that 6,500+ articles are stubs. The only thing we need to be concerned regarding 'journals & magazines(academic)' is that they must pass WP:NJournal and WP:GNG and are not a part of Predatory publishing ~ Amkgp  💬  04:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to IEEE Communications Society is an easy solution to a subject that otherwise fails any notability guideline and would be deleted. Ifnord (talk) 18:24, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.