Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IGap (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. This is not a very satisfying debate to close; there's a lot of non-policy being thrown about on both sides of the argument. The results of AfDs on other wikis doesn't have much (if any) bearing here; each wiki develops its own standards. There's also a suggestion that this is the result of undisclosed paid editing, but there's no proof of that. Likewise, I don't put a lot of weight in the previous AfD. While recent, it also didn't see much participation.

In the end, there are plausible looking sources presented here, the strongest of which is the financialtribune article. Many of the other sources appear to be from non WP:RS, but it's really hard for me to judge that based just on the automated translations available to me, since I don't read Farsi.

I almost closed this as No Consensus, but decided to go with Keep mostly on the basis of the Financial Tribute source. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

IGap
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This article was deleted from Farsi wikipedia two times, because it was not notable enough. now the user is creating the article In multiple wikis, I afraid this might be paid to editting, but given the size of this company and its importance in Iran, it is not notable and important enough to have a wikipedia article. Mardetanha (talk) 21:26, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * link to first AFD and its AFD in Farsi wikipedia where native speakers are more familiar with messenger, Article was deleted from ar,tr because of its promotional nature Mardetanha (talk) 21:29, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 01:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 01:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * DeleteI think this article has to be deleted from Wikipedia. This is not a famous or notable messenger. The statistics of the usage of this messenger is no known. There is no any famous web-sites mentioning this messenger. This messenger is not welcomed even in Iran and between Persians. The market share of this messenger is too little and it seems that this messenger is like an internal messenger. Even the claims of the producers has not verified well. The documentations of the claimed "OPEN SOURCE" messenger has not well verified. Even in github project at https://github.com/RooyeKhat-Media/iGap-Android there are many dead links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnshahri (talk • contribs) 07:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * DeleteAs I said in the previous deletion request and Mardetanha mentioned above, this messenger is not a notable app and is not a famous one. The article seems to be a promotion rather than being created as an usual Wiki article. Freshman404 Talk 08:38, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep All news websites in Iran have covered the article.And that you said "paid for editing" is accusation. Wikipedia is not a place for accusations.
 * see links :
 * Messaging App iGap to Launch Voice Calls
 * Iran-Made iGap Messaging Application Rewards Hackers
 * Iran-Made Iran-Made iGap Messaging Application Rewards Hackers
 * Two Soroush and iGap messengers will be replaced Telegram.
 * Interview with founder Of IGap
 * Iranian iGap messenger in pursuit of telegram
 * in adition The Iranian leader has referred to this messenger on his personal website. See This Diyarenoon (talk) 17:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * CommentI am translating one part of text from sputnik, currently 66000 people installed this app on their but 20000 people are regular user, messenger this is size is not notable to have wikipedia Article. WP is not place you get fame with Mardetanha (talk) 17:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Previous AfD was closed as keep not even a month ago. It can be disruptive to repeatedly nominate a page in the hope of getting a different outcome. (WP:DP) Pavlor (talk) 10:18, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Ali Khamenei  and Mohammad-Javad Azari Jahromi directly referred to this messenger. it is not notable??? This article has reliable sources that makes this notable.Extensive coverage on the Tasnim News and the financialtribune ,sputniknews .... Diyarenoon (talk) 19:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course not Mardetanha (talk) 15:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Due to the restrictions of Telegram (the most popular messenger in Iran) as an aftermath of the recent unrest in January 2018, there has been a wave of migration to new instant messengers and iGap seems to be on the verge of being the lead. That is the reason for significant coverage of this software in media. The fact that Farsi Wikipedia did not like to keep the article (which IMHO is more a political than a professional decision) does not necessarily vouch for deletion a legitimate piece of writing with correct format and referencing here in English Wikipedia.--Charkhin (talk) 21:48, 10 January 2018 (U۱TC)
 * Keep The article deals with a an obviously notable instant messenger covered by multiple independent sources, namely Sputnik, Financial Tribune, Farsnews, Tasnim and Tehranpress.
 * Delete Small startup-build app that got a little bit of attention because the government wants to push for "home-made" products. This will join a very long list of similar products like "Soroush", "Daal". etc. This definitely won't pass the test of time. Ladsgroupoverleg 07:37, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Unfortunately, monopoly on Wikipedia is clear because you leave this comment, regardless of the rules, solely on the basis of taste. With all available resources''185.81.43.98 (talk) 08:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment
 * other source :
 * "IRIB3 News, report about Iranian messengers."


 * Explanatory articles
 * iGap Free voice calling and high security messaging
 * Different Iranian messenger - Check the iGap
 * Introducing, Reviewing and Exploring the iGap Application
 * iGap, Iranian superpower
 * Checking Persian Messenger and Encrypted IGap

Diyarenoon (talk) 10:37, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable due to the Financialtribune source. However, the article currently has many issues, and needs to be pared back to **independent** sources. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 23:38, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: It isn't a "monopoly" to follow policies and guidelines. primary coverage does not advance notability. Definitely promotional with things like "...Mohammad Rasool Kazemi, CEO of Za Media Company, announced the launch of a new voice call service..." as well as others. Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors for "first and most recent Iranian messaging". Notability is not advanced on advertisement and support by "leaders". Otr500 (talk) 05:00, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Please keep in mind that AfD is about considering the topic in question, not the current state of the Wiki article. 1292simon (talk) 05:08, 17 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep: as mentioned, the previous AfD was closed last month as keep. I ask, what has changed in that time to make this app no longer notable? = paul2520 (talk) 14:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.