Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ITM Group


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:55, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

ITM Group

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no indication of notability in article Night of the Big Wind (talk) 22:36, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment See WP:BEFORE. Did you do due diligence before the nomination, and check for references. or just look at the article? Edison (talk) 01:31, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You warned me already for getting flak, nice that you give it yourself. In my opinion an article must show notability, not external sources. It is up to the original author to give evidence of notability, not for newpage-patrollers to check if an article is maybe notable. Night of the Big Wind (talk) 01:36, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The flack I alluded on your talk page is likely to be from other editors, and more harsh than a simple request to follow the guidelines on WP:AFD. If you toss an article to AFD, with no sign you did a search for references, the the other editors are left with the chore of searching for refs, which was the job of the nominator.   Edison (talk) 01:45, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 13:53, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 13:53, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak keep Appears to be an umbrella organization of private colleges college in India, with several campuses. Colleges which are accredited to award degrees by the responsible accrediting organization within their own country are generally kept in AFD discussions. I am not able to determine that accrediting status in India for this organization, but I note that they have institutional affiliations with well-regarded colleges in other countries such as Georgia State University and Ohio State University in the US, and University of Reading in the UK, which makes it unlikely this is an unaccredited diploma mill. A listing of the top business schools in India by Careerlauncher puts ITM in Cluster 6, a ways down from the top, out of 8 clusters of the "better and more known B-schools." The listing is for "Institute of Technology & Management (ITM), Navi Mumbai." MBAuniverse lists it as number 51 overall, as "Institute for Technology & Management, Mumbai" in India, (if that is the same as "ITM) for its MBA program, and number 34 for its student placement success. On the other hand, I did not see it in the list of 50 top India business schools published by the Economic Times of India. The key thing seems to be whether it is accredited to issue and does issue college degrees, so far as Wikipedia notability is concerned. Edison (talk) 20:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Edison above makes some good points and came to the best conclusion by assuming good faith with the information available, but India is notorious for having what could be called "unaccredited accredition institutes" and the extent to which they advertise with arbitrary ranking systems is far beyond the Western standard. This school may or may not be accredited, but I also looked to see who reviewed them and I can find nothing.  I live in America and checked for the link to Georgia State and Ohio State because they advertised that prominently.  Knowing Indian culture... this could just be the case that someone at their school had a transient partnership with someone at one of those places.  I have no faith in their having submitted to third-party ranking and no sources exist of this ranking.  I have no idea what is going on here, but the Wikipedia article gives no indication of notability, nor does the group's website, nor does a Google search.  Whatever this place is, it is not a school whose integrity is verifiable.   Blue Rasberry    (talk)   22:58, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, causa sui (talk) 18:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Apparently an accredited institution, the All India Council for Technical Education is a recognized accrediting agency. Agreed that some Indian colleges are of dubious status, and as, Edison found, there is third party evidence that this is not a top-rated university; but  Blue Raspberry is wrong when he says the accreditation status of this one is unclear. If anything, it is his  strictures against it that seem to have no evidence--and indeed he admits to be going entirely by guesses.    DGG ( talk ) 01:56, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - not just one business school but a group of accredited business schools that award degrees. As such it's clearly notable. Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:07, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.