Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ITS Engineering College


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While by pure nose counting the keeps and deletes are equal, the delete arguments argue a lack of sufficient reference material to sustain this article, and the keep arguments do little to refute this assertion. Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

ITS Engineering College

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Does not pass WP:NORG as there are no WP:RS to support. The refs in the list are either primary source, paid advertisements or unreliable. Vikram Vincent 13:03, 11 March 2021 (UTC) * Propose a merge with the university page, since that is notable. Vikram Vincent 10:38, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Vikram Vincent 13:03, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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Vikram Vincent 19:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Accredited degree-awarding tertiary institution. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:13, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi ! I noticed that you copy-pasted the same message on multiple AfDs. Can you please point out the data related to the "degree-awarding" aspect of this and other institutions you have responded to. Thanks! Vikram Vincent 15:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's because the same point is relevant to all of them! Consensus has always been that we keep degree-awarding tertiary institutions, as outlined in WP:Schooloutcomes. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * So these are not degree awarding institutions as it clearly says. Rather they are affiliated to some university which awards the degrees. Would that also be covered under school outcomes? Vikram Vincent 16:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. By "degree-awarding institution" we mean any college that teaches to degree level, not specifically only those that award their own degrees (this would, for instance, rule out British polytechnics, which did not award their own degrees). This has always been the case. Affiliated colleges still meet the criteria. This status is, of course, particularly common for colleges in India, and many of them have been kept on this basis. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you please link that guidelines which equates "degree-awarding" to "teaching at degree level". In India, we actually have private institutions which *do* award degrees and these are called private deemed universities. This and other AFDs you have been !voting on do not come under that category. Vikram Vincent 16:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As I have said, this is consensus and has been applied many times. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:50, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You seem to be suggesting that consensus is irrelevant! Not sure where you got that one from. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I used the tag. This is a private institution with no inherent notability. Vikram Vincent 14:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure where you get that from. We have never treated private colleges any differently from public ones. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * From here, I found this, Consensus is not immutable. It is reasonable, and sometimes necessary, for both individual editors and particularly the community as a whole to change its mind. Long-held consensus cannot be used as an excuse against a change that follows Wikipedia's policies. Here, there are clear guidelines for notability of an organisation and I think any institution will have to show notability. You stating that your "keep" vote is based on past consensus is contrary. I would urge you to reconsider all your !votes if consensus is your only argument. Best! Vikram Vincent 18:53, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * My opinion stands. I've participated in hundreds of these discussions and I've seen the clear consensus to keep degree-awarding tertiary institutions. You're not going to change my mind by continually quoting ever more irrelevant bits of Wikipedia at me. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Degree awarded institute which is affiliated with a recognised university Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam Technical University. This is no worse than the many hundred similar articles on colleges in India and elsewhere ( I know this is a very weak argument---what we ought to do is deal with the other similar articles also, but I see no point in singling this one out).  D My Son  18:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * This argument sounds like Other stuff exists Vikram Vincent 19:26, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete total rubbish level sources. It is time we start requiring all articles on educational institutions to meet our notability guidelines for organizations.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Engineering-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Like John Pack Lambert says the level of sourcing for this college is totally bad and the guidelines about private colleges (which were built on consensus BTW) are clear that should be treated no differently then any other organization when it comes to notability. So, there's nothing about this that warrants it being kept from either a guideline or consensus based (as if they aren't the same thing anyway) position. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:17, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 18:09, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I am a 4th year (B.Tech) student in this college. I am curious to ask: How would you judge the similar Engineering colleges (Vishveshwarya Group of Institutions, IILM College of Engineering and Technology, ABES Engineering College, Mangalmay Institute of Engineering and Technology, Galgotias College of Engineering and Technology and etc.) which are affiliated with the same University Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam Technical University? These articles also having self published and unreliable resources.27.60.100.115 (talk) 05:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Please note: The above colleges are nominated for deletion by Vikram Vincent after adding my comment above. For Vikram Vincent information, there is a long list of colleges which are based on self published and unrelaible references. Now my question is same "How would you judge the similar Engineering colleges which are affiliated with the same University Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam Technical University? what do you think about this list? Ajay Kumar Garg Engineering College, Anand Engineering College, Agra, Army Institute of Management and Technology, Greater Noida, B.S.A. College of Engineering & Technology, Banshi College of Management Studies, Dr. Gaur Hari Singhania Institute of Management and Research, Dr. K.N.Modi institute of Engineering & Technology, Galgotias Business School, Hi-Tech Institute of Engineering & Technology, Hindustan College of Science and Technology, Ideal Institute of Technology, IILM College of Management Studies, IILM Graduate School of Management, Inderprastha Engineering College, Institute of Integrated Management and Technology, Varanasi, Institute of Management and Research, Institute of Management Technology, Ghaziabad, Jaipuria Institute of Management, J.S.S. Academy of Technical Education, Noida, Kanpur Institute of Management Studies, KIET Group of Institutions, Lal Bahadur Shastri Institute of Management and Technology, ABES Institute of Technology, Meerut Institute of Engineering and Technology, Modinagar Institute of Technology, NIILM CMS, School of Management Sciences, Lucknow, School of Management Sciences, Varanasi, Shri Ramswaroop Memorial College of Engineering and Management, Lucknow, UEI Global, Venkateshwara Institute of Technology, Vivekananda College of Technology and Management and still there is a long list. 2402:3A80:1F5F:FEE4:569:B6D4:B15C:A578 (talk) 11:48, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Pretty simple really, other stuff exists isn't a valid AfD argument. Period. Also, by continuing to go off about it your bludgeoning. Especially with the wall of links. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:04, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Poorly nominated article. The article definitely needs clean up to sound less promotional. A better WP:BEFORE was expected. sources like, exist. Chiro725 (talk) 23:41, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The sources you have provided are extremely trivial and otherwise do nothing for the colleges notability. Especially the second one. Which is a dead link and appears to be primary anyway. In no way does a dead, primary source help for anything. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:12, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * From the first link, "Annual literary and cultural fest “Udghosh 2018” at ITS Engineering College " is based on a press release and cannot be used for notability. Vikram Vincent 08:19, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll be happy to withdraw my nomination if you can show WP:THREE sources that satisfy WP:SIGCOV. Best! Vikram Vincent 08:22, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


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