Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I Believe (2006)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 02:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I Believe (2006)

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Lacks notability, lacks references. Not finding any reviews or indication that this album has charted. RadioFan (talk) 02:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  --  J mundo 02:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 *  Weak Keep  - The article has a couple third-party sources, and they appear reliable. This is not including lyrics websites, tabulature websites, and product websites. This combines make 2,280 GHITS for "I Believe" "Rapture Ruckus". ~ Wakanda's Black Panther! &spades; / &diams; 02:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, an album doesn't need to chart to be notable. It just needs Independent, reliable sources, same as any other article. ~ Wakanda's Black Panther! &spades; / &diams; 02:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Also per WP:NALBUMS the bar for albums by notable groups (as is the case here) is pretty low. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't believe some of those sources are independent. One is a myspace page, another is their website, and the last is a christian rock blog. The other source is one profiling up and coming bands, which proves a lack of notability. Tej68 (talk) 02:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Changing !vote to Keep on the basis that I found two independent, reliable sources stating that the album won an award. I also have a source that the song, I Believe, made it to #7 on a NZ chart. It's unfortunately pay-per-view. ~ Wakanda's Black Panther! &spades; / &diams; 02:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The Album won a New Zealand Music Award for "Best Gospel / Christian Album" so that is probably enough in of itself.  I do, however, believe the article is exaggerating - still looking on the "spanned hits" comments.
 * Album debuted at #7 in NZ . err, I can't read - wrong album :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be their next album, Live At World's End, friend. It does help prove that this band is notable, even if only in New Zealand, though. ~ Wakanda's Black Panther! &spades; / &diams; 02:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment: Neither the album, nor any single charted. Although the album apparently came close (was listed as a "heat seeker", meaning it was a hot new release, but not with enough sales to actually make the top 40.) I have updated the article to accurately reflect the available info (i.e. removed "hits" and other fluff) but left the "best selling Christian album" bit b/c I can neither confirm nor deny that part at this time. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Multiple RS say this album won a national yearly award. The fact that it was NZ-specific doesn't matter; it still passes WP:NALBUMS. Jclemens (talk)
 * Keep for winning the award and the ref's to support it.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 12:14, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. - gadfium  22:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per multiple RSs. John Carter (talk) 15:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.