Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I Have This Dream (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Redirect merge/redirect was the consensus, merge into Michael Jackson singles discography wasnt appropriate as there isnt the necessary information available, the Michael Jackson article already includes a summary of this in the section Michael Jackson. Redirected to that section directly Gnangarra 15:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I Have This Dream
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Just going through my watchlist, and came across this once more. The sources are fine, the article is written to an acceptable standard, but fundamentally the article is silly because the single never happened! Delete, the article can be reborn if there's further news...... Petesmiles 11:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * First Deletion discussion ; Articles_for_deletion/I_Have_A_Dream_%28song%29
 * Second Deletion discussion : Articles_for_deletion/I_Have_This_Dream

So this is actually the third discussion - thanks all! - Petesmiles 11:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. Although WP:CRYSTAL warns against this sort of thing, the Katrina association as well as ongoing attention to Jacko personally means pretty substantial news results for a single that may never be released. --Dhartung | Talk 11:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Michael Jackson singles discography (or failing that, Michael Jackson). Unless it's released, this is just a footnote in a Michael Jackson biography, not a notable subject on it's own. It is pointless for an unreleased single to have its own article (perhaps when release seemed imminent, but not now that release seems unlikely at best.) Closenplay 14:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC) EDIT: see below for !vote change Closenplay 11:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Evil Spartan 15:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect per Closenplay. Add a sentence or two describing the single in Michael Jackson singles discography, and recreate this article if the single is ever released or canceled.  Burzmali 15:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote changed to merge and redirect to achieve consensus. --Dhartung | Talk 20:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I have boldly merged and redirected the article. Precious Roy 20:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * KEEP&Comment to Roy - NO! Please do not insert all that information into the Michael Jackson article, it was moved to its own article for brevity, and because it was notable. There seems to be an almost haphazard need by people on this site to arrange and sort to the point of obsessiveness. There is absolutely no need to remove this article, it documents a time in history and can be sourced. It is notable, and is certainly not being wholesale inserted into the Michael Jackson article with minimal discussion.--Manboobies 23:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - it seems that lately there has been a rampage of users advocating a "lets delete all song articles related to Michael Jackson which weren't smash hits" approach to editing. It has got to stop somewhere. This article covers a speculated song, which WAS in the media, and therefore I believe that it is notable. Also, the idea that it be INSERTED into the Michael Jackson article is ridiculous. Apart from that article being horribly segmented as it is, what it doesn't need is more text! There is already ENOUGH!! that's why there's an article for this, and that's the second reason why this article should stay. Paaerduag 09:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment It's not about deleting all of his song articles, it's about deleting this one article about a song that was never released, and as such is non-notable. The only press the song generated seems to come from two sources: a press release from Jackson's spokesman and a brief interview with the guy who runs the record label. Closenplay 11:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Since the Michael Jackson Project will apparently resist any attempt at merging it into "their" article, I change my !vote to delete. Most of the mergeable information in the song's article is already in the MJ article already. Closenplay 11:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect, or delete. From the article: "whether or not it will eventually be released remains unconfirmed". WP:CRYSTAL says future events should be included only if they are almost certain to occur.  That is not the case for this release.  Charlie - talk to me - what I've done  10:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
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