Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I Will Tell international film festival


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 17:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I Will Tell international film festival

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No assertion of notability Ironholds (talk) 00:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete no evidence of notability. JJL (talk) 00:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The external websites linked clearly shows the I Will Tell film festival ranking along other high profile festivals for the last three years. There are other film festivals on Wikipedia that give no external references at all and yet they have not been deleted. discloseIwilltell09 (talk) 00:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete no assertion of significance or importance. In addition, if you look at the website, it's not even a film festival, it's some sort of (religious?) charitable organization that uses this for publicity, I didn't waste too much time looking at it. So it's also purely promotional. Drawn Some (talk) 03:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Can you please explain to me why, if you 'did not bother' to look at the website that you feel so comfortable having an opinion on it? If you had 'bothered' you would have seen that the I Will Tell film festival is indeed a film festival over which many have invested years of hard work to make the success it is today. The Odeon in Leicester Square and the Coronet in Notting Hill are hosting I Will Tell screenings and Disney submitted City of Men to last year's festival and you say this is not a real film festival? Your comments show an incredible lack of responsibility. Had you looked at the website you would have seen that we have shown films like Woman - a positive film about Muslim women and Soulmates a positive film about Christian women as well as dozens of other films which do not make any reference to any faith. We focus on telling untold stories and stories of impact. Objecting to this would be like objecting to the Human Rights film festival (or perhaps you do). I fail to see how it could be justified to delete I Will Tell when other festivals are included on Wikipedia only because they hope to have a festival later this year.discloseIwilltell09 (talk) 00:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  --  I 'mperator 13:32, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Question: any reason this wasn't tagged for speedy, no assertion of notability/spam? KillerChihuahua?!? 22:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it doesn't fit any notability tag and it isn't blatant spam. Ironholds (talk) 23:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A7 would seem to fit. KillerChihuahua?!? 14:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It isn't a company, club or organisation, though. Ironholds (talk) 14:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The "e.g." given in CSD#A7 is "for example" - its not meant to be inclusive. It is not a website, either, but its clearly an entity and no claim of notability is made. I routinely delete articles under A7 with more respect to whether the claim of notability is met rather than whether someone can argue the specific entity is mentioned by a small set of examples in the criteria. Events can be, and are, deleted under A7. If someone wrote an article about their yard sale I'd A7 it in a heartbeat. KillerChihuahua?!? 14:16, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Then you're doing it wrong. Read the entry at WP:CSD, particularly the fact that "organisation" isn't the example, types of organisations are, and "This criterion applies only to articles about web content and to articles about people and organizations themselves, not to articles about their books, albums, software and so on". The organisation that produces this festival would be an A7. This is not. Ironholds (talk) 14:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree, and have precedent (mine and others) on my side. "Festival" does not have to be specifically mentioned for A7 to apply. A9 is redundant with A7, for example, but we let the distinction stand. Don't forget that consensus makes policy, policy does not make itself. If most Admins see things one way, and the policy is slightly off of that view, then generally the policy needs rephrasing. KillerChihuahua?!? 14:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Certainly, but I only see one admin taking that attitude (although you could probably get NawlinWiki in as well). Look, here's my point. A festival is not an organisation. The criteria covers organisations. It specifically does not cover things produced by organisations, such as products. I'd argue that this falls under those. Something does not have to be mentioned to be valid, but it does have to fall into the broad "organisation" definition given. Ironholds (talk) 14:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've seen quite a few. I'm putting this on the CSD talk page for clarification. Meanwhile, how would you tag an article about a yard sale, or a movie screening at the local YMCA? Because I assure you, I'd delete it. IAR applies if nothing else. KillerChihuahua?!? 14:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd follow the rules, on the grounds that "I say so" isn't the same as consensus. I'm perfectly happy with any attempts to expand CSD criteria to include things like this - indeed, I'd welcome them - but until they do you can't just delete it and say "well, me and some other admins would do it, ergo consensus". Ironholds (talk) 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I always follow the rules, and "I say so" is not anything I've said here. I am quite offended that you have misunderstood me to such detriment of my character. KillerChihuahua?!? 15:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You stated that your interpretation was perfectly valid because you and some other admins did it, regardless of the fact that the policy specifically excludes products of organisations and suchlike. That indeed reads as "its okay because I do it, so screw what the policy actually reads as". Ironholds (talk) 15:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Then it reads wrong. You've hurt my feelings; you've insulted me, and when I told you so you escalated to saying my position is not only what YOU say it is and not what I say it is, you compare it to saying "screw you". How much more do you plan to beat on me, and to what purpose are you attacking and insulting me? KillerChihuahua?!? 15:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment perhaps this is better continued at your Talk page(s)? JJL (talk) 15:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it has already been moved there User_talk:KillerChihuahua. KillerChihuahua?!? 15:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


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