Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I am sorry for my country


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The name of the article can be further discussed on the article talk page. Sarahj2107 (talk) 12:27, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I am sorry for my country

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POVFORK. No indication this speech is more notable than others. The "title" is apparently an invention of the article's author. Written entirely non-neutrally, with "commentary" presenting Duterte's claims as facts in Wikipedia's voice. Names public figures as being drug offenders. zzz (talk) 19:05, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete not significant enough to justify a seperate article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:10, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:37, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:37, 9 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep The article passes the WP:GNG as the speech received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources such as Rappler, Philippine Daily Inquirer, The Philippine Star, Forbes, Manila Bulletin, etc. They're all cited in the article. The title could be renamed tho but the specific line in the speech was specifically highlighted in the Rappler source.1.--RioHondo (talk) 13:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NOTE. The speech, including the 'narco-list', have been covered in many reliable sources, like User:RioHondo stated, it has received "news followup", and that the source coverage is "in-depth". ~  Manila's Poging  Juan  15:26, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment This speech received less media coverage than many others by the same individual - see Rodrigo Duterte and Philippine Drug War - hence the lack of an appropriate title. The top Google search results for "Duterte narco-list" refer to a different speech. The article fails WP:GNG per WP:What Wikipedia is not, specifically WP:NOTADVOCATE #1. zzz (talk) 00:25, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I dont think having "less coverage" than other topics is a criteria under WP:GNG. It simply says the topic has to have significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject . Whether it is "less significant" than other popular articles is never a basis for Notability. Thats your personal POV. And a speech by any country's President having this amount of coverage, both from within and outside the country, is certainly notable, whether you agree with the state leader's speech or not. See WP:IDONTLIKEIT.--RioHondo (talk) 01:45, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep as what RioHondo stated, this article recieved multiple credible sources from local news websites. - Supergabbyshoe
 * Comment - At the very least, I hope we can agree on a better title than Rodrigo Duterte speech during a wake visit to killed-in-action NavForEastMin soldiers, August 2016. GABgab 16:25, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The replacement title again demonstrates the level of notability. If a Donald Trump supporter wrote a pro-Trump article about a speech at one of his rallies or press conferences, it would quickly be deleted. This is no different. In both cases, their speeches frequently get reported in "multiple credible sources". zzz (talk) 04:32, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * But we have based it on Obama's ones (Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009, Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, February 2009) and has no bias on it, as Duterte made the speech on a wake visit to NavForEastMin soldiers with the date when it was delivered. And second, what do you mean of notability? As far as I know in Wikipedia, notability means when it is/was covered by several reliable news sources, the topic has received follow-up, and it received reactions from low-time people up to high-time ones. Wait! There is something lacking to the article. To make it more notable, especially to User:Signedzzz, we can put in the "Reactions" section that these people identified by the President denies any involvement in drugs and other sources I can't tag because of busy school works and other news follow-ups regarding the after-shock of the speech. ~  Manila's  Poging  Juan  07:20, 16 October 2016 (UTC) PS: As I've said, I'm currently busy of school works, due to the incoming semestral break and second quarter exams that I can't contribute much now including the sources I've tagged, so please can someone make a contribution out of it. Regards!
 * And wait! You compare Trump's speech to Duterte's ones, like someone anti- who keeps comparing Trump to Duterte? And excuses, what makes this article a pro- one? By the way, this one has a sense, especially he is "too much", in my opinion, focusing on Oplan Tokhang like there are no other problems in our country, unlike Trump's ones that is currently busy of his "sexism", "racism", and "ass here, ass there" (that is what media always highlight). Your latest comment, User:Signedzzz, is, therefore, debunked. ~  Manila's Poging  Juan  07:31, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * And to User:GeneralizationsAreBad, the new title is based on gov.ph (Official Gazette of the Republic of the Philippines), which is the official site of the Executive Government of the Philippines, where Duterte, the head of state, is also the head of this government. While we can suggest better title as you have said, I also suggest "Rodrigo Duterte speech naming alleged drug personalities, August 2016", as it was the focus of the speech, as reported by reliable sources, the media. ~  Manila's Poging  Juan  07:45, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Not recommended article title

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Your welcome &#124; Democratics Talk→  Be a guest 09:12, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, the multiple sources prove the notability of the topic. But if it is just an article title dispute, you are free to start a WP:RM discussion. Anyway, Trump is just a presidential candidate, this is a speech by a head of state so its a weak comparison. Thanks for the link to Wikisource though, although normally we dont move the article while discussions are ongoing. If we go by WP:COMMONNAME, I would agree with your alternative title, based on sources cited in the article.--RioHondo (talk) 13:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:15, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Article passes WP:GNG.  N. GASIETA |  talk  06:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Article passes WP:GNG. I also suggest to rename it base on what the government use as title of the speech. Nickrds09  (Talk to me) 07:56, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The current title is actually based on the published speech of Official Gazette of the Republic of the Philippines, which is President Rodrigo Roa Duterte’s Speech During a Wake Visit To Killed-In-Action Soldiers. ~  Manila's Poging  Juan  16:11, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * But I believe that there is 'another' fitting and proper title for this article. ~  Manila's Poging  Juan  16:13, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: moved to new log Your welcome &#124; Democratics</b> <b style="color:red">Talk</b> 11:18, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Your welcome &#124; <b style="color:blue">Democratics</b> <b style="color:red">Talk</b> 11:18, 21 October 2016 (UTC)


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