Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I and Thou (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Valoem   talk   contrib  19:09, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I and Thou (band)

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Notability is not clear, no claim of notability is made. RadioFan (talk) 21:37, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:11, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 05:51, 14 April 2014 (UTC)




 * delete Martin Buber gets another fifteen minutes of fame but really the name-dropping in this one-album band article signifies not enough notability (yet). Mangoe (talk) 15:51, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep As the one who created and added references to the article, I had hoped to keep quiet on this AfD but due to the dearth of response I shall add my $.02. I had never heard of Martin Buber or his work until I started researching the band and the album for the article.  Searching was tricky, as a search like 'I and thou speak' gives a lot of irrelevant and false hits, and even putting 'I and thou' in quotes doesn't help much.  I was able to get much better results and found a lot more online resources when I ran searches like '"I and Thou" "Jason Hart"' or '"I and Thou" Speak review'.  Most of the musicians who contributed to the album are artists or members of bands that have articles on Wikipedia.  For what it's worth, one of the references indicates the album Speak was named album of the month in July 2012.  One of the references (which unfortunately I cannot seem to locate now) was an online version of an article that appeared in a prog rock print magazine.  mwalimu59 (talk) 21:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * Merge to Jason Hart. I'm not sure Hart's article is reliable either, but there are no references for this band and I can't find better. The sources listed are largely blogs and not reliable, and at best they would serve to show that the album itself is notable (and the band does not inherit notability from the album coverage). There isn't much to merge, but the Hart article should at least mention this band once. I'd be in favor of deletion of the Hart article goes too. czar ♔  16:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheMesquito  buzz  18:28, 5 May 2014 (UTC)




 * Delete. I don't really think reviews are very reliable sources, and reviews are what this article relies on, because the other sources are partisan. Mr. Guye (talk) 21:33, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Partisan sources (as long as they are reliable) can still help to establish notability per WP:BIASED: "Sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources..."  Spinning Spark  08:54, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:BAND criteria #6: "contains two or more independently notable musicians".  Two members have articles and two more belong to bands that have articles.  Spinning  Spark  08:54, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * A bad guideline. Not every little collaboration is worth writing about independently. Mangoe (talk) 12:06, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not confident that those two musicians in question are independently notable (especially based on their current sourcing), but we'll let that play out as normal czar ♔  04:51, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If they are not notable then they should have been nominated for AFD first, or else the whole set nominated for deletion/merge together.  Spinning Spark  10:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe that would have been nice, but it's not a requirement. Anyone could make pages for the other two musicians right now—doesn't mean that they have independent notability by virtue of their articles' existence. The point I'm making is that a point to BAND#6 has to attempt to show that the two musicians are notable, not just that they have pages. czar ♔  13:07, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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