Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I would rather cry in a BMW


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The result was   keep. Notability established (WP:N, WP:GNG, WP:NEO) (non-admin closure) Bryce  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 14:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I would rather cry in a BMW

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This article may not be notable and could be merged somewhere. The author continues to take down maintenance tags on this article without offering reasons or fixing the problems. This article was tagged PROD but author removed it without reason. Zzaffuto118 (talk) 21:12, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * delete I prodded it, and the deprodder did give reasons on the talk page. But it still falls far short of a notable topic to my eyes. The phrase arose on the show Fei Cheng Wu Rao and the related controversy already has a section there. This just reproduces and expands on that section and is still largely about the show, while all the references are about the show or the contestant. There is no discussion of this phrase or it's impact, no mention of it independent of the show.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 21:30, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * keep The page is a work in progress, and is by no means perfect. But the symbolic value of the phrase has led to mass discussions in Chinese media, both television and online. Columns have been written specifically about the phrase by a large number of Chinese newspapers, delving into much deep analysis about the phrase, such as seen here:, here: , and here: (a clever rebuttal saying "I would rather laugh on a bicycle"). I concede that judging by English-language media alone this topic may not be notable per se. But once I will have more time to translate Chinese-language analysis into English, which will give the article a more 'notable' feel. So I will offer the option of a 'temporary deletion' if most other users feel the deletion must go ahead, and I will try to re-create the article on a temp page first on my userspace to better establish its notability.Given due consideration to both Chinese and English-language media, I would still vouch that the phrase's notability clearly extends beyond the realm of the show alone - it has spurred discussions about a wide range of social issues, and as mentioned in the article, is an emblematic, symbolic representation of much larger issues. Isolating the content to the show itself would not do justice to such symbolism, nor would it be appropriate to flood the show's article on analysis that is tangential. It is analogous to merging Tear down this wall! with Berlin Wall. That is my case for keeping this article where it is. Colipon+ (Talk) 17:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * comment a poor analogy, as I think you will need to do a little more to establish the notability of an off-the-cuff comment by a game show contestant than a challenge to communism from the then US president! But certainly do what you can to improve it and if you run out of time get it userfied to finish the job. The references above look borderline but that's mostly as apart from Yahoo I can't tell if they are reliable sources (and even Yahoo China carries a lot of poor quality content).-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 22:38, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * keep:This phrase has become a well-known meme in Chinese popular culture over the last two years, and has been regularly examined in the Western media. It meets the minimum requirements for inclusion, as per WP:N, due to the wide availability (in English and Chinese media) of reliable secondary sources giving significant coverage to the history of the phrase, and analyzing the phrase and its implications for modern Chinese society. A good-faith gsearch returns a number of articles on this meme: (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc). — Preceding unsigned comment added by
 * comment The above, unsigned, comment points to WP:N but one point that is mentioned in that policy is notability over time. Most meme's are short lived and a relatively obscure non English phrase really isn't notable in English Wikipedia. Other users have brought up the point that other articles give weight to this comment which further devalues the individual notability of this article. — -Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzaffuto118 (talk • contribs) 01:12, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * comment In that case it is at least as notable as "Grass Mud Horse", or "River Crab". Colipon+ (Talk) 02:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * comment:Sorry that I forgot to sign that comment. The suggestion that subjects lose notability by having their origin in non-Anglophone countries is systematic bias.Ferox Seneca (talk) 19:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep the current page has sufficient reliable sources are enough to establish notability. Francis Bond (talk) 01:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * comment but none of the sources are about the topic, or even discuss it. They are all on the show or the contestant turned lingerie model that said the phrase.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 19:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:03, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:03, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep as above. social phenomenon in Chinese-internet, even if relatively unknown to english speakers. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 03:53, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Enough reliable secondary sources establish neologism notability. Lagrange613 18:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.