Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian A. M. Fuller


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The result was no consensus. This seems to be a borderline case, as the less cursory contributions to this discussions indicate. A talk page merger discussion is a possibility for a follow-up.  Sandstein  15:30, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Ian A. M. Fuller

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No indication of notability as an individual. References are not enough to prove notability of the subject. Fails WP:NAUTHOR, WP:GNG DMySon (talk) 05:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * weak-keep but it's a tricky one. Breeding freshwater catfish is a niche hobby, but quite a large niche so far as its occupiers are concerned, and clearly Fuller is a big fish in the pond he's decided to cultivate. The trouble is, if your area is niche, it will only get published in niche places, so a person like Fuller is never going to appear in the Times or Guardian, it's always going to be in WeirdFishMagazine and CoryBreedersMag or wherever. I'd go for a weak-keep because (1) he's had a species named after him, which is quite an accolade; (2) it's impossible to find any website or fish magazine mentioning Corydoras without it mentioning Fuller's name (i.e. there are no independent sources because anyone who knows anything about Corydoras is a friend of Fuller's, but this very fact argues his relevance, if we consider freshwater catfish breeding to be notable); and (3) the alternatives of merging into Corydoras generally or Corydoras fulleri would unbalance those articles by putting too much Fuller-information into what should have been a Fish-article. I don't think Fuller is going to be easy to classify using WP's normal notability guidelines, because he's not quite a businessman, not quite an author, and not quite an academic; he's occupying a unique spot with a foot (fin?) in each. Elemimele (talk) 11:45, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly fails WP:ANYBIO. KidAd  •  SPEAK  00:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ambrosiawater (talk) 05:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge with Corydoras. This was a difficult one to evaluate for the reasons outlined by Elemimele, but in the end there's just not enough significant independent coverage for Fuller to meet Wikipedia notability guidelines. While, his work is considered important in his niche field, he doesn't fit WP:NACADEMIC, and much of his research isn't peer reviewed (only has a few hits on scholar). The coverage in the magazines don't meet WP:INDEPENDENT as they're written mostly by people within the same small niche (friends of Fuller). His work should be given WP:DUEWEIGHT in the articles of the fish that he researched, but I don't see a policy based justification for keeping a separate article for Fuller. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I would think keep on the basis of the species, and articles like this about that which are scholarly and independent and mention the derivation of tha name. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Luiz-Tencatt-2/publication/350785323_Corydoras_fulleri_Siluriformes_Callichthyidae_a_new_catfish_species_from_the_rio_Madeira_basin_Peru/links/6082c18b8ea909241e1b331c/Corydoras-fulleri-Siluriformes-Callichthyidae-a-new-catfish-species-from-the-rio-Madeira-basin-Peru.pdf and to a lesser extent https://www.l-welse.com/reviewpost/showproduct.php/product/1265 Sheijiashaojun (talk) 10:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Elemimele's thoughtful and entertaining analysis. I think notability guidelines are essential but we have to recognize the niche outliers. Also, having a species of fish named after you seems to indicate passing WP:GNG. Ifnord (talk) 18:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)


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