Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian D. Marsden


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Consensus is that enough third-party coverage to warrant an article does not exist. -- Kinu  t/c 00:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Ian D. Marsden

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The username of the page creator suggests the article is an autobiography. The article is poorly sourced, with the only source listed being the personal website of the subject. The article reads as advertisement, with the included images making it look like the artist's portfolio. -- Patchy1 01:12, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


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 * Delete for now due to lack of appropriate sources, Google News found one link here (Spanish) that confirms his employment with Google and Google Books found one book here that he co-contributed to. I returned to Google News and added both "artist" and "Google" but found nothing else. The link with the "New Mediaaward" sentence was dead so I searched web.archive.org and successfully retrieved it, but it never actually mentions him. Therefore, I searched myself for evidence to support this but only found unreliable and primary sources. Conflict of interest articles won't usually disturb me unless extremely promotional or problematic because we're all here to help, and I appreciate the author's contributions but there isn't anything to establish verification or notability at this time. SwisterTwister   talk  03:48, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Google doodles get ample coverage, and he made the first one ever, as the reliable source I added a reference to in the article clearly proves. WP:ARTIST 3. The person has created ... a significant or well-known work ..that has been the subject ... of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. So he passes that. Perhaps number 4 also, not sure. Number 3 is enough though.  D r e a m Focus  07:39, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If the article were kept solely because of his accomplishment of producing the first Google Doodle, it would probably always remain a stub. Inspired by The Wall Street Journal reference, I searched again and found another news article here (for his 2000 Olympics logo), here and here (this last one is a minor mention). The issue has been the lack of sources for his other work. SwisterTwister   talk  07:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration.  D r e a m Focus  07:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Lacks significant coverage in RS to write an article, it is irrelevant if it does or does not pass the WP:ARTIST guidelines if the sources are not there then the subject is not notable and given the autobiographical nature of the article it should be deleted. Mt  king  (edits)  08:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


 * From Ian Marsden himself - Sorry if this is not written in the correct format. I have been made aware that some people want to delete the entry about me because they seem to doubt that I actually created the first Google doodle, that I created the official mascot for the FIS Alpine Ski World Championship 2003 in St. Moritz or there are some other concerns. Some source information is:
 * DRS3 Interview: Michael Zezzi spricht mit Maskottchen Designer Ian Marsden, a recent radio interview I gave about my mascot designs and about my thoughts about the London Olympics mascots to Swiss radio.
 * Wacom posting., my permanent features artist page on Wacom.com where I am now also a 'Wacom Evangelist'
 * Wall Street Journal July 16, 2011, a Wall Street Journal article about the early days at Google. If you have any doubts about my involvement at Google as the first Doodle creator why don't you contact Susan Wojcicki directly at Google?
 * Olympic Games Sydney 2000 | Google-Doodle, a YouTube video featuring most of my Sydney Olympics doodles (not posted by me)
 * blog.marsdencartoons.com, my bio on my own website. Am I being accused of fabricating these items or misrepresenting my own curriculum vitae?
 * As far as I understand I need to have at least two sources that have interviewed me or written about me, hopefully the above recent ones will suffice. Any further questions may be posed directly to me through marsdencartoons.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Marsden (talk • contribs) 23:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I never doubted that you created the first Google Doodle as I found evidence to support this. The issue was that there weren't any other sources to verify your other work. It's not that we're accusing you of fabrication but rather Wikipedia requires third-party sources to establish notability and to ensure the best verification, nothing personal. SwisterTwister   talk  23:46, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I (as the nominator) never doubted that either, I just know that Wikipedia is not a place for poorly sourced autobiographical advertisements. -- Patchy1 00:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * From Ian again: More source information:
 * Photoshop Magazine July 2010, a 2010 interview with German PSD Photoshop Magazine.
 * jatail.com, a page on the Jatail Website still listing me as their creative director (where I designed all the album art and logos for La Toya Jackson etc).
 * As a designer I don't really know what third parties there would be. There is the client and there is the resulting product. There have been quite a few articles and interviews over the years about my work. Many don't appear to show up in Google. This article here has been on Wikipedia for at least six years if not more. I am sorry if it is poorly sourced. As far as I understand it is frowned upon if I edit it myself and I don't really want to ask other people to do it either. To sum up: I hope that I have now provided both sufficient links to third party entities mentioning me and my work. Apart from that I don't know if the past 25 years of my career have been sufficient to qualify for the criteria under 'Creative Professionals' and I do not want to argue the topic on my own behalf. Since I published my first cartoon in Penthouse magazine at age 16 and therefore started out relatively young, there is still hope that I might reach this distinction during the next 25 year phase of my creativity. If for some reason you still think you need to delete the article then by all means go ahead. Cheers. Ian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Marsden (talk • contribs) 00:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ian, third parties essentially are 1. Wikipedia reliable source (newspaper articles, magazine articles, and book information) that were published and 2. have no connection to you. (see WP:GNG for more info). Blog.marsdencartoons.com is connected to you since it is your website as is jatail.com because that is where you work. youtube.com is not connected to you, but is not considered a Wikipedia reliable source since anyone can upload videos there. Was that interview published someplace else? Wacom.com appears to be connected to you. The Wall Street Journal article is a good GNG source, but there's not much information in there from which to write a biography article on Ian D. Marsden. The Photoshop Magazine is a great GNG source. One more of those, and it is possible that the article will be kept. Your name is common, so it's hard to find source information on you. What ever you have, please post in this discussion or provide a link to where the info is on your website. I found three bits of information. One, I added to the article:
 * In March 2003, Marsden was nominated for 2002 New Media Cartoonist of the Year by the National Cartoonists Society.
 * In January 2003, Marsden illustrated Smoony, the official mascot designed by Tatjana Keller for the 2003 Alpine Ski World Championship in St. Moritz, Switzerlandand. Marsden illustration conveyed the message that "the action on the track no longer is everything."


 * As for another source of information, I would like to confirm that this is not about you. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

From Ian Marsden:

Yes the name Ian Marsden is incredibly common especially in Britain. No the article at the bottom has nothing to do with me. I have never lived in Britain and I have also never molested anybody or ever been arrested.

Yes it is correct that I was nominated for the 2003 National Cartoonist Society Reuben Award in the category "New Media"

Yes it is also correct that I designed and illustrated Smoony the official mascot for the Ski World Championship. It was designed by me not by Tatjana Keller. Mrs. Keller worked for the organization and hired me to design the mascot. It was roughly based on a child's drawing that won a contest in St. Moritz in as fas as the drawing featured a half moon and half sun face. The final design was entirely original and bore no actual resemblance to the child's sketch.

Wacom is not connected to me. They contacted me and asked me if they may feature me as a featured artist on their homepage. It is correct that Wacom is now using some of my artwork in an ad campaign for Wacom and I created a series of videos in which I explain how I work on my Wacom Cintiq display but I am not an employee of Wacom. The same goes for Jatail - I worked for them for several years but i am not at all connected with them anymore in any way. Once in a while I create artwork for them as an independent contractor. I only added that link to show that they indeed featured me on their site and that I DID work for them.

I will see if I can find some more interviews like the PSD Magazine article. Best regards. Ian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Marsden (talk • contribs) 19:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Lean delete - I'll look for some additional coverage, but as it stands, I'm not finding much. Go   Phightins  !  22:11, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patchy1 01:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete: Non-notable due to lack of substantial coverage in multiple reliablable independent sources. My own Google searches turned up nothing substantial at all, nor give me any reason to expect that any will be found. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 22:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Lacking depth-of-coverage from 3rd party reliable sources; dubious claim of being the "first" for this as well (contradicted by Google themselves). OhNo itsJamie Talk 22:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.