Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Ferrier (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. (non-admin closure) Cavarrone 08:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Ian Ferrier
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WP:BLP of a writer and musician, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for writers or musicians. This was previously deleted in 2019 per Articles for deletion/Ian Ferrier and then got recreated in fall 2023 after his death, but this version is still referenced almost entirely to primary sources that aren't support for notability at all -- even the one footnote that's technically citing a newspaper is still just his paid-inclusion death notice in the classifieds, not a journalist-written news story about his death, and virtually everything else is content self-published by companies or organizations he was directly affiliated with, while the one potentially acceptable source (LitLive) is not enough to clinch passage of GNG all by itself. And for notability claims, there are statements (a minor literary award, presidency of an organization) that might count for something if they were sourced properly, but there's still absolutely nothing that would be "inherently" notable enough to hand him an automatic notability freebie in the absence of proper WP:GNG-worthy sourcing. And the French interlang is based entirely on the same poor sourcing as this one, so it has no GNG-worthy footnotes that can be copied over to salvage this either. Bearcat (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Bands and musicians,  and Canada. Bearcat (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  16:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. The French language sources aren't poor, they're excellent. Passes GNG easily on this basis. Desertarun (talk) 21:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Both the English and French articles are based entirely on primary sources that are not support for notability, such as "staff" profiles or press releases on the self-published websites of organizations and companies that he was directly affiliated with — only one source (LitLive) is GNG-worthy at all, and one GNG-worthy source isn't enough. People don't pass GNG just by using primary sources to verify facts, people pass GNG by showing third-party journalism and/or books that cover said facts as subjects of news and analysis. Bearcat (talk) 17:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep: Article has plenty of references so it seems like coverage is enough to pass notability guidelines. InDimensional (talk) 11:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: passed notability in my eyes Sansbarry (talk) 01:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Notability isn't a question of "your eyes", it's a question of whether the correct kind of sourcing is there or not. Bearcat (talk) 12:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think "in my eyes" means in my opinion of whether or not the sourcing is good@Bearcat Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 12:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please point out precisely which sources are "good", considering that they're pretty much all primary sources right across the board. Bearcat (talk) 14:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep: The citations presented are OK.Yolandagonzales (talk) 20:17, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: While every opinion after the deletion nomination has been a bolded 'keep', I am still not suitably persuaded. Further discourse regarding the 'quality' (in Wikipedia terms) of the French sources appears to be needed. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 11:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep article has plenty of good references Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 12:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. Even just limiting my search to English language sources, I see enough to meet WP:GNG., , , , . Jfire (talk) 18:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the article significantly using these sources and more. Jfire (talk) 00:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article has reliable sources to prove its notability. It passes GNG. ZyphorianNexus (talk) 23:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.