Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Porter (commercial artist)


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  14:49, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Ian Porter (commercial artist)


Non-notable artist. Part of a series of spam articles by whose primary work is to flood WP with articles on people from Newington College such as local council members such as Aubrey Murphy (mayor), members of social clubs such as Deuchar Gordon, and generic public servants such as Warwick Cathro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adsfvdf54gbb (talk • contribs)
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 * Weak delete I cannot find anything to support notability. Aoziwe (talk) 13:14, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Changing my opinion to weak upon review of museum material. Aoziwe (talk) 10:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:07, 1 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. The Powerhouse Museum holds his archive and states "The strength of the collection lies in the comprehensive selection of posters, original artwork and other material for the Hardie Rubber Company Ltd and (a smaller selection) for Rega, and in Porter's representative 1930s graphic style. Although Porter was not amongst the most innovative or cutting-edge of his generation; he appears not to have travelled overseas for experience or training and he never broke away from a conventional and fairly static approach to graphic design, he is interesting as his work expressed the basic design tenets of its day." Castlemate (talk) 22:05, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * so basically it is saying that he didn't make any new technical or artistic advances, but just did what a routine skilled worker would do. Not notable Adsfvdf54gbb (talk) 21:43, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is a potential claim to notability, but that entire section is completely unsourced as opposed to the trivia about his high school, and Google doesn't bear out any other sources. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 23:29, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Comment. Dead links can be repaired but in the meantime this might help: Ian Porter commercial art archive Castlemate (talk) 16:38, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: Notability is conferred by his archives being held by a significant museum. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:41, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The entry says the archive consists of him making advertising posters for a company. There is no explanation of why any of these are notable contributions. Adsfvdf54gbb (talk) 21:41, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "Entry"? As for "explanation of why any of these are notable contributions", "Notability is conferred by his archives being held by a significant museum". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Request. As Porter is not an academic or educator could someone please move this vexatious AfD to an edition sorting cat that is more appropriate than WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators. As the nominators many attacks this month on my bios are now being "speedied" into history I'm sure this notable Australian will go the same way if viewed by appropriate editors. Castlemate (talk) 14:32, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete appears non-notable, and a search for supporting references confirms that thought. The strongest item here is the personal papers in an archive. I don't lend that much credence; were there numerous published mentions and refs, the archive would look good. Without it, we have just a guy whose papers are in an archive. An archivit's choice to include items in their collection is not the same as a curator's choice to include artworks in a museum's permanent collection.104.163.154.101 (talk) 00:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The items from the archives source mentioned above, in point form:
 * - "Original [gouche] artwork (1) for 'Hardie Garden Hose signed 'Porter' in lower left corner"
 * - "Letterhead (1), 'Hardie Rubber Company Limited/​ Tyre Department"
 * - " Catalogues (3) including one for rubber footwear range for 1933-34, printed both sides and folds out to poster format;"
 * - "Price lists (2) for footwear and rubber footwear;"
 * - "Pamphlets (4) for tennis shoes, raincoats and tyres and tubes, n.d.;"
 * - "Leaflet (1) for Rabbit Poison 'Rabbo-Phos' stocked by James Hardie Trading Coy Ltd, n.d.;"
 * - "Posters (5), small, for tennis, bowls and leather casual shoes, garden hoses, kiddies shoes;"
 * - "Posters (14), large, two for 'Hardie Garden Hose', one with two kookaburras catching a hose (rather than a worm) which adopts imagery first used by May Gibbs in the 1920s, the second depicts a glamorous woman using a Hardie hose in a garden setting, annotated with 'Brings beauty to the Garden', c. 1939; remaining 12 are for 'Hardie North British Rubber Footwear' and are catalogue-type displays for seamless backed sportshoes, date range 1934-39"
 * - "Another small collection of leaflets (9) relate to Rega Products Ltd - possibly based in Marrickville, NSW between the years 1943-8, when Porter was doing this work."
 * - "'Oil Can Catalogue', 'Oil fillers and syringes', 'Bucket Spray Pumps', Agricultural Catalogue', 'Engineers' oil cans', 'Valve connectors', 'Motor trade catalogue', Pneumatic sprayer' and 'Valves and cocks', none are dated.
 * - "A miscellaneous (gouache) artwork for the magazine 'The World. Your Story Must be Told. Use the World', n.d., may relate to the first Rega leaflet listed above as the image but not the lettering is reproduced." 104.163.154.101 (talk) 00:10, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * And to top that off, the entry for the archives above actually discusses his notability, saying he's very average: "Although Porter was not amongst the most innovative or cutting-edge of his generation; he appears not to have travelled overseas for experience or training and he never broke away from a conventional and fairly static approach to graphic design, he is interesting as his work expressed the basic design tenets of its day."104.163.154.101 (talk) 00:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:57, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete It is time to rid Wikipedia of the Newington College spam articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:20, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That is not a useful contribution and is little more that a personal attack on an editor and an institution. Castlemate (talk) 09:02, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak delete - the Powerhouse stuff is pretty good, but the absence of any other independent coverage leaves this one just short. Very much open to convincing with further sources. Frickeg (talk) 10:24, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


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