Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Read (musician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was speedy keep. Clearly bad faith nomination. `'mikkanarxi 20:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Ian Read (musician)


Nominated by unregistered user, reason not given possibly notability as there was a tag on the article Mallanox 22:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete: Notability — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.142.172 (talk • contribs) — 71.219.142.172 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Aha, the nominator has added his reason. Notability for an artist with 12 albums is definately not an issue. Keep Mallanox 22:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Commment'. Yes, I have. Recording an album or twelve, does not make one notable.  Being a musician does not justify a chaos magic category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.142.172 (talk • contribs)
 * Delete Notability is not subjective — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.142.172 (talk • contribs) - second vote by nominator
 * Comment - Notability criteria do not equate to "I have heard of it"/"I have never heard of it" or "I think this topic deserves attention"/"I do not think this topic is worthy of attention". These subjective evaluations are irrelevant to the notability of a topic regarding its inclusion in the encyclopedia.
 * Notability is not judged by Wikipedia editors directly. With respect to notability, the inclusion of topics on Wikipedia is a reflection of whether those topics have been included in reliable published works. Other authors, scholars, and journalists have decided whether to give attention to a topic, and in their expertise have researched and checked the information about it. As such, the primary notability criterion does allow Wikipedia editors to determine whether "the world" has judged a subject to be notable, but this is not a consideration of whether a Wikipedian personally thinks a subject is or is not notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.142.172 (talk • contribs)
 * Ok, the debate will continue here about notability though the category an article is in isn't really for discussion here. Perhaps you could start a debate on Talk:Ian Read (musician). Please add ~ to the end of your posts on talk pages as it makes it clearer who said what. Mallanox 22:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - Bad faith nom. Nobody cares about chaos magic. If you're notable for anything, you're notable. --Tsuzuki26 22:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Tsuzuki seems to think notability guidelines are unimportant. I disagree. Because anyone can claim "occult" significance, I believe some discretion is needed.  And what is "no-one cares about" doing in a notability discussion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.142.172 (talk • contribs) - third vote by nom
 * Comment - This is not "Occultopedia". If you are notable for anything at all, you are notable period. Scooby-Doo has absolutely nothing to do with chaos magic or the occult, yet it is still here on Wikipedia. I wonder why that is. --Tsuzuki26 23:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Sarcasm does not help your argument. To compare the cartoon giant Scooby with this marginal musician is not constructive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.142.172 (talk • contribs) - fourth vote by nom
 * Comment Please state your preference to keep of delete only once. Please both of you assume good faith and try to keep the discussion on this page on topic. Mallanox 23:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - clearly notable. Suggest this AfD be semi-protected so that only established editor can vote. &mdash;Hanuman Das 01:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep The pertinent question here is "does Ian Read meet the WP:MUSIC guidelines?" It appears he does indeed as a member of Soul Invictus and Fire + Ice.  Both bands are apparently fairly important and influential Neo-Folk bands.  His occult significance isn't really relevent because he's notable as a musician according to Wikipedia guidelines (and I imagine he meets other WP:MUSIC criteria as well if anyone wants to look into it further.--Isotope23 01:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep This was nominated by 71.219.142.172 who obviously has a problem with Chaos magicians as he has nominated Jan Fries, Ian Read (musician), Phil Hine, etc. WITHOUT EVEN REGISTERING! FK0071a 16:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 14:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. Verifiable, NPOV, non-OR article. There goes the three key policies. "Notability" is clearly established, despite this anonymous IP's huge definition of notability. Here on Wikipedia, we believe that Kiki is not paper, and thus include less important things than other encyclopedias. -- Chris is  me 14:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Looks like a bad faith nom to me. Regardless, article meets any and all criteria. --- RockMFR 14:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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