Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Venables (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep.  Majorly   (hot!)  23:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Ian Venables

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Second nomination: first result was 'no consensus'. The main editor of this page, User: Dewarw, has told me here that he is a pupil of this man (whose main job is teaching economics at a secondary school), who I propose is a non-notable composer. Investigating him, I have found that there has been one CD recording of his music, and one collection of his music published, both by 'Enigma Publications', which I can find no details of on the internet and which is clearly not a major label. All the references are reviews of this one CD. He does not meet any of the criteria for notable composers and most of the people in the previous discussion seemed to agree that this man was not notable, excepting vociferous support from User: Dewarw, the originator of the page. Clavecin 18:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The Gramophone review attests his "substantial reputation and output". That User:Dewarw has an interest in the subject should not deter us from an article. Are we overloaded with English chamber-music composers? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep There is also a Classic FM review. Classic FM is a major radio station, and therefore for the subject to have a review by them means that he is definitely notable. In the last discussion, it was also revealed that he has been signed up by the same publisher as Edward Elgar. He is notable- as proved by the decision after the first discussion! That decision was only made a short time ago!81.158.2.82 21:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * weak keep the two reviews would normally e considered sufficient. DGG 01:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, notability not established. I would be more convinced if the two reviews mentioned above didn't appear only on www.ianvenables.com. —Angr 11:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Here are two reliable, independent web-sites which review Ian Venables' work:  And.
 * Please see, he is a notable composer, with reviews! If you look at the list of compositions on his web-site, it is clear that he is established. Dewarw 16:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


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