Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iana Kasian


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is a consensus to keep the content. Renaming the page or merging it can be done outside of AFD. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:05, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Iana Kasian

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Appears to fail WP:CRIME. red dogsix (talk) 03:10, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, on the basis of this story being major news. - Mardus /talk 03:14, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS applies and your argument does not apply. red dogsix (talk) 03:22, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The article is notable, because Kasian's death is a rare and very gruesome murder. - Mardus /talk 03:26, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If that is so, please point me where in WP:N or other guidelines that it specifies that a "rare and gruesome murder" or other crime is notable. red dogsix (talk) 03:30, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * From Notability: The topic has received 'significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject'. Neither is this routine news coverage. - Mardus /talk 03:56, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:1EVENT. red dogsix</i> (talk) 04:00, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * From there:
 * if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified.
 * If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate.
 * if an event is of sufficient importance, even relatively minor participants may require their own articles, for example, Howard Brennan, a witness to the JFK assassination.
 * - Mardus /talk 04:16, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, but, although I find sadness in the event, I do not find the murder of a model in the same league as the items you refer to. red <b style="color:#000;">dog</b><i style="color:#000;">six</i> (talk) 04:42, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The topic here is not the murder, it is the person. She obviously fails WP:BLP1E, but often the article gets moved to Murder of .... In this case there is an article on her, and an article on the accused, but Wikipedia really doesn't need both. Abductive  (reasoning) 04:22, 27 September 2017 (UTC)


 * KEEP I made the page because 1) death by torture in North America in 2017 is always significant; 2) any modern-day scalping is significant; 3) that which captures the popular imagination has its place in popular culture. Odd how no one seems to care about the validity of the suspected perp's page... just kill the victim's page? N.B.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_murder > not a very long list, is it?
 * Could be merge, redirect or move? Abductive  (reasoning) 04:17, 27 September 2017 (UTC)


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 * Keep but Rename to Murder of Iana Kasian. A BEFORE convinced me - beyond the tabloid coverage, this is widely covered (e.g.     ) - meeting WP:CRIME.Icewhiz (talk) 06:19, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Clearly adequate coverage.  May have to change the title per Icewhiz, though I am not a fan of the "Murder of" titling.  But keep one way or the other. Definitely  Montanabw (talk) 07:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- the article as written is WP:BIO1E; the subject was not notable before she died. I would oppose a move to "Murder of X]], as I don't see lasting significance or societal impact. The content is tabloid-like in nature. The murder is not especially significant or unique; fails WP:NCRIME. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:24, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Opining that death by scalping in the 21st Century is extremely rare, perhaps entirely unique in NA, so an inherently notable event in modern society, tabloidista'' aside. I saw only one other case so far this century, and the victim survived. (MA, 2005.) Death by torture in NA is also very rare.AHampton (talk) 03:10, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J <i style="color:#137412;">947</i>(c) (m) 23:16, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - per references. Per major news. Per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 09:06, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.