Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ibiza Rocks Hotel (2nd nomination)


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The result was move. Consensus is that Ibiza Rocks would be notable. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  07:42, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Ibiza Rocks Hotel
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Only one proper source - BBC - which on the face of it appears to partially convey notability, however it doesn't really. It's an archive of a radio show from 5 years ago and just mentions the venue name and nothing else. Other results on a search are run of the mill mentions of a hotel on the party isle. If anything, I would've thought Ibiza Rocks itself (the entire brand, not the hotel) would have its own article and this would've been a subsection on there. I'm surprised it didn't have its own article, but at the same time, I can't see anything that helps the hotel pass GNG. Rayman60 (talk) 18:42, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
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 * Comment: I didn't realise this article already had been nominated and had passed 4K/4D. The most obvious advocate was Dr Blofeld who posted 15 sources, which at first view would unequivocally support passing GNG. However I looked into this. The sum of all to me lends itself to incidental mentions rather than significant coverage. Here's my detailed findings


 * 1) Source 1 Perhaps considered strong coverage. Cannot locate original but seems bordering on an advertorial?
 * 2) Source 2 Seems to be about the festival rather than the hotel - although the hotel is mentioned in the headline
 * 3) Source 3 Again mainly about the event rather than the hotel, but does mention the hotel as the venue. Editorial  content by a non-notable travel company
 * 4) Source 4 A competition giving away tickets to a gig at Ibiza Rocks. No mention of the hotel.
 * 5) Source 5 False positive? Has words 'Ibiza' and 'Rocks' but separately, no mention of anything Ibiza Rocks related (within the free preview)
 * 6) Source 6 Decent coverage of the project prior to its opening
 * 7) Source 7 Industry publication. About the concept of Ibiza Rocks which I must again stress is a separate but linked entity to the hotel from a wiki perspective
 * 8) Source 8 A rape took place at the hotel. It was mentioned as the location of the crime. Absolutely an incidental mention and not significant coverage
 * 9) Source 9 Another false positive. Has Ibiza and Rocking in headline but no mention of Ibiza Rocks Hotel. Does mention another hotel, Pikes Hotel, part of the Ibiza Rocks brand but again separate. Has its own article.
 * 10) Source 10 Mentioned as part of a journo's summary of their trip to Ibiza
 * 11) Source 11 = not found
 * 12) Source 12 False positive, again about the other venue.
 * 13) Source 13 Mentioned in Billboard in small article about launch of Mallorca Rocks
 * 14) Source 14 The event more than the venue is mentioned in the listing in this 677 page book of European party destinations. The book is not notable. If we said books like this convey notability, just about every licensed premises in the world will be fighting to put their own article on here.
 * 15) Source 15 a repeat of 13

Whilst anecdotally I always expected the entire brand to be notable enough to warrant an article, I don't believe what I see for the hotel is sufficient having looked into it. I think coverage warrants an Ibiza Rocks umbrella article encompassing the event and venue, info on offshoots like Mallorca Rocks and info on Pikes Hotel. I just don't think there's enough to warrant a stand-alone article, especially in the absence of one for the brand and feel it would probably be better presented in the manner just described. (If I had the foresight and knowledge, I would've created the article, populated it, moved some info over and redirected.)Rayman60 (talk) 17:37, 6 September 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Move to the brand and allow revision there. Both nominator and Rayman60 comment that in their opinion a page on the brand is warranted, and the hotel could be covered there.  This is silly.  Just move the stupid page and allow refocusing there. -- do  ncr  am  21:40, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:02, 12 September 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  18:23, 19 September 2016 (UTC)


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