Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Icarus Interstellar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. § FreeRangeFrog croak 22:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Icarus Interstellar

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Does not pass WP:ORG

A number of blog entries hit on some of the people involved on a slow news day when these guys said they started working on Warp drive but no real coverage.


 * http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/06/this-is-what-a-warp-drive-spaceship-looks-like/
 * http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090507175838.htm
 * http://www.space.com/21452-interstellar-spaceflight-starship-congress.html (Only this one appears to mention the org, the rest are all talking about the guy)
 * http://www.gizmag.com/antimatter-starship/23345/ Gaijin42 (talk) 19:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

See also related AFD at Project Icarus (Interstellar Probe Design Study). Gaijin42 (talk) 19:08, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
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Not True: These guys have published in established scientific journals and thus pass the criteria. Links to some publications have been added to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanbruystelghem (talk • contribs) 14:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Blakeredfield (talk) 12:44, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Icarus Interstellar now operates the Anchorage Makerspace, a bi-annual conference Starship Congress and has a student chapter at Drexel University, aside from the 8 research projects they coordinate and a team of 166 volunteer researchers by the last count. The arguments for deletion being based on coverage of their warp drive research (which are simply most popular to journalists for the wow factor they carry), are more a boon for the organization than arguments against the value of having a wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blakeredfield (talk • contribs) 12:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Importance is not synonymous with Notable. Are there WP:RELIABLESOURCES discussing the elements you have mentioned? If so, bring them up. If not, we are back to a simple question. Does the article passWP:GNG. I submit the answer is no. Gaijin42 (talk) 14:40, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Mgilster (talk) 19:10, 20 May 2014 (UTC) Here are some references to Starship Congress in the media:
 * It's Time to Tackle Interstellar Spaceflight, Experts Say
 * Starship Congress Warps Into Dallas This Week: How to Watch Online
 * "Starship Builders" Icarus Interstellar announces Open-Registration for Starship Congress summit
 * Starship Congress: A Very Human Interstellar Journey

Here is a reference to the Drexel University student chapter:
 * This Drexel Student Group Wants to Go on a Field Trip, and You Won't Believe How Far

Here is a reference to a NY Times article discussing Icarus Interstellar participation at the DARPA 100-Year Starship Study Symposium:
 * Not Such a Stretch to Reach for the Stars — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgilster (talk • contribs) 19:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Here are more articles in the media about Icarus Interstellar, Project Icarus, work by Icarus Interstellar members, or citing Icarus Interstellar members' expertise:
 * Project Icarus: Laying the Plans for Interstellar Travel Mgilster (talk) 21:18, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Kugelblitz! Powering a Starship With a Black Hole
 * Incredible Technology: How Solar Sails Could Propel the First Starships
 * Warp Drive May Be More Feasible Than Thought, Scientists Say
 * Asteroid Mining Could Pave Way for Interstellar Flight
 * First Interstellar Spacecraft May Use Texas-Size Solar Sail
 * Could We Build 'Star Trek's' Starship Enterprise?
 * Engage! Warp Drive Could Become Reality with Quantum-Thruster Physics

Here are sources specific to Project Persephone, an Icarus Interstellar project:
 * Planet organic: the professor who wants to send a city into space — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgilster (talk • contribs) 22:13, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Space ark will save man from a dying planet
 * Project Persephone page at University of Greenwich site

Here are some abstracts for articles in the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, published 2011-2013:
 * Project Icarus: Fission-Fusion Hybrid Fuel for Interstellar Propulsion
 * Project Icarus: A Review of the Daedalus Main Propulsion System
 * Project Icarus: Interstellar Spaceprobes and Encounters with Extraterrestrial Intelligence
 * Evaluation of Technological-Social and Political Projections for the Next 100-300 Years and the Implications for an Interstellar Mission
 * Project Icarus, A 21st Century Interstellar Starship Study
 * Project Icarus: Exploring the Interstellar Roadmap using the Icarus Pathfinder and Starfinder Probe Concepts
 * Project Icarus: Nuclear Fusion Propulsion Concept Comparison
 * Project Icarus: A Review of Interstellar Starship Designs
 * On the Organisation of World Ships and Other Gigascale Interstellar Space Exploration Projects
 * Project Icarus: Progress Report on Technical Developments and Design Considerations
 * Technical Note - Project Icarus: The Origins and Aims of the Study
 * Project Icarus: Mechanisms for Enhancing the Stability of Gravitationally Lensed Interstellar Communications
 * Project Icarus: Stakeholder Scenarios for an Interstellar Exploration Program
 * Project Icarus - Flying Closer to Another Star - A Technical Update and Progress Review
 * Project Icarus: The First Unmanned Interstellar Mission - Robotic Expansion and Technological Growth Mgilster (talk) 21:09, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Here is a page from the British Interplanetary Society (BIS) about a workshop hosted by BIS and Icarus Interstellar:
 * Project Icarus – Update and Concept Designs

The Icarus Interstellar article definitely needs improvement. I have provided a number of sources which could be used to improve the article. These sources show that Icarus Interstellar is a notable organization for the following reasons: FULL DISCLOSURE: I am a volunteer with Icarus Interstellar working primarily on the official website. If no one else updates the article with the sources I have provided, I will do so. Mgilster (talk) 22:05, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Icarus Interstellar has been the subject of significant international coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources.
 * The depth of coverage is substantial - several articles are solely about the work of the organization.
 * The intended audience of the coverage ranges from space enthusiasts to experts.
 * The sources cited are independent, reliable, and demonstrate both interest in Icarus Interstellar and notability of Icarus Interstellar as a reliable organization with expertise in its subject area.


 * Keep. Thanks Mgilster, you've done a good job. -- do  ncr  am  02:15, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 17:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per the sources provided by, Who's done an excellent job!, (Thanks Mgilster! :) ). →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  20:56, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mgilster, we appreciate the work! Adamh4 (talk) 16:22, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I have updated the article with some of the references I have gathered and will continue to do so. However, I am leaving on vacation for most of June. I hope there is enough consensus now to keep the article, and if not, I ask that we keep discussion open until I can work on it further. I have also gathered some more sources:


 * Icarus Interstellar founder Richard Obousy gave a talk at EVE Online's FanFest
 * EVE Online / Dust 514 – Fanfest 2013
 * LEADING SCIENTISTS TO SHARE VISION OF HUMANITY'S FUTURE AMONG THE STARS AT EVE FANFEST


 * May 2014 articles on Project Persephone
 * May 28, 2014 - Space Invaders: New Developments in Starship Architecture
 * May 22, 2014 - Stars in their eyes: architects and scientists mull designs for ark in space


 * Project Hyperion What Would an Interstellar 'Worldship' Look Like?


 * Project Bifrost Project Bifrost: Rockets of the Future?

The Hyperion and Bifrost articles are published on Discovery.com. These were authored by Icarus Interstellar members. I think it is notable that Discovery.com has Icarus Interstellar members contribute articles, but if they are not an appropriate source, let me know. Mgilster (talk) 22:25, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
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