Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Icecap (blog)


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The result was   no consensus. slakr \ talk / 08:20, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Icecap (blog)

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Unremarkable blog that fails WP:WEB; the only independent source (RealClimate) doesn't even mention the blog. Other sources mention it in passing,  but nothing really significant. The closest anything comes to significant coverage in a reliable source is this post on National Review's blog, which is a blog and as such may not be reliable. Even if it is, though, more RSs would be needed to establish notability, and I couldn't find many other such sources. Jinkinson  talk to me  20:28, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  20:29, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  20:32, 6 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Good amount of secondary source coverage. According to The Boston Herald (February 3, 2007) it is not just a blog but also a climate change working group. Hundreds of sources in Google Books for search of terms "Icecap" with "D'Aleo". Also try searching for . Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:10, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Cirt, I didn't come across the Herald article; could you provide a link or citation? Also, searches on books.google.com (and other Google searches) do not return results that only contain the search terms; it uses an algorithm to guess at what results might interest the searcher. So while books.google.com returned around 110 results, maybe 25 actually contained "d'aleo" and "icecap", and of those, a half dozen or so are self-published. Also, I found hundreds of hits in google, but no independently-published reliable sources with more than a trivial sentence about the organization. I'll definitely reconsider my decision if any significant coverage turns up. ––Agyle (talk) 03:21, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, turns out it's not a secondary source, as it was written by D'Aleo, but it was indeed published in The Boston Herald, for what it's worth. Article title: "As you were saying … Alarmists, just chill out". Hope that is helpful, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:11, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep, thanks. Highbeam has the first three paragraphs of the editorial (the rest is paywalled), and a forum post contains its apparent full text. Icecap doesn't seem to be mentioned; perhaps it occurs as part of the title in the author's signature, which isn't included in the forum post. ––Agyle (talk) 06:29, 11 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge summarized version to Joseph D'Aleo, and include disambiguation on Icecap (disambiguation) (D'Aleo is founder of the organization and website, executive director of the organization). Fails general or website notability, and while there are several citations in reliable sources to papers from ICECAP, I could not find any independent reliable source coverage of the organization itself or its website more a one-sentence description. The Wikipedia article's title and opening sentence give the misimpression that ICECAP is simply a blog rather than an organization. As Cirt notes, it is the website of "International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project"; the organization's website is variously described as a blog and a portal (its own one-sentence description of itself as a portal is widely used). This paper from The American Behavioral Scientist describes the organization as a "think tank", and lists affiliations of several authors (possibly "climate experts") who cite an affiliation with ICECAP. D'Aleo alone seems to list ICECAP as his primary affiliation, and many trivial references in reliable sources just mention ICECAP as they introduce or cite him (e.g. ).


 * There are maybe 20 reliable source independently-published books that cite papers published on ICECAP's website. While the mentions are not directly about the website, they do provide some indication of its notability. Here are the first half dozen I checked:
 * Quotes D'Aleo and mentions and cites ICECAP several times.
 * Cites a paper from ICECAP on icecap.us.
 * Cites two papers from ICECAP on icecap.us.
 * One sentence description of ICECAP & reference to one of their claims.
 * Single-sentence quote and reference of an Icecap paper.
 * Cites a paper from ICECAP on icecap.us.


 * While the website's papers are cited by other works, and its director, D'Aleo, is widely quoted, the big problem is the lack of independent coverage about the organization itself. A quality Wikipedia article would be either nearly empty, or depend almost exclusively on information from icecap.us. I think it's better to list a pared-down description of the website in the article about D'Aleo.


 * ––Agyle (talk) 03:21, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | spill the beans _ 05:16, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr  \ talk / 14:47, 28 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.