Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Idara-e-Amn-o-Insaf


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There's reasonable consensus that between this and 2002 Idara Amn-o-Insaf attack, a single article will suffice, so we want some sort of merge. The question is, in which direction? That's less clear, but I think the nod goes to merging the other article into this one. If somebody really feels strongly that the merge should be done in the other direction, who am I to say they can't do that?

I really should be calling this merge, but the otherwise wonderful XFDcloser automation doesn't seem to have a way to express do a backwards merge :-( -- RoySmith (talk) 02:48, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Idara-e-Amn-o-Insaf

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Promotional with WP:COI. Nothing in WP:RS. Fails WP:NORG. Störm  (talk)  16:39, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 16:49, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 16:49, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 16:49, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable Christian organisation in Pakistan that has been active since 1974 according to this source. More mentions are found in news sources such as, etc. and book references.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 17:23, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Your last two are not reliable with The News has no editor where CT has WP:COI and your first one comes under WP:1EVENT so nothing contributes to the notability. WP needs enduring notability which it clearly fails. Störm   (talk)  07:16, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * What makes you think that The News International has no editor? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 10:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The News not having an editorial board is not true. It is a newspaper. And again, I would suggest merging the 2002 attack info into this main article. Given the organisation's long history, the main article should supersede any sub-articles.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 14:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect Most of the coverage in RS revolve around a 2002 attack on the personnel of this charity. And Since Storm created an article on 2002 Idara-e-Amn-o-Insaf attack, we no longer need a standalone article on this charity, thus redirect it to 2002 Idara-e-Amn-o-Insaf attack. --Saqib (talk) 08:02, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Redirect would be fine as I've started new article which adequately cover the topic. Störm   (talk)  08:19, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If have no objection, this could be done on speedy basis minimize the backlog.--Saqib (talk) 08:23, 14 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment -- I might have said reverse merge 2002 attack to the organisation. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per User:Mar4d. I also suggest merging 2002 Idara Amn-o-Insaf attack into this article.  samee  talk 16:43, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That meets criteria of WP:NEVENT. Question is whether we have to redirect or merge this page. This AfD should remain open so we can get right outcome. Störm   (talk)  15:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:23, 20 January 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - most of the references are dead links. None of them provided any reference to the subject.  Nothing supports WP:ORG criteria for notability.--Rpclod (talk) 03:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, there are plenty of mentions of the organization unrelated to the 2002 attack. See for example "Idara-e-Amn-o-Insaf. Karachi, an ecumenical commission for justice and peace, has always sought the cooperation of liberal Muslims of the workers and intellectual communities in addressing minority issues. Be it the protest campaign against the government's sinister move in 1992 to introduce a religious column in the National Identity Card, or redefining a better mode of minorities representation, eminent journalists, advocates, human rights activists are invited to speak or preside." (https://books.google.com/books?id=JOPZAAAAMAAJ), "The programme, partially funded by the World Bank, consisted of widening the existing open drains to 260 ft to increase the volume of sewage. The open drains pass through a number of low-income areas. The widening of the drains were to affect about 2,000 families living along the drains, forcing them to be relocated to far off sites. No compensation was planned for these families who had lived here for over twenty years. Community organisers from the Idara-e-Amn-o-Insaf, an NGO as well as groups in the nine settlements along the drain, came together to resist eviction." (https://books.google.com/books?id=3JqbAAAAMAAJ) "Idara-i- Amn-o-Insaf, and others, have been fighting against these Ordinances. The injustice meted" (https://books.google.com/books?id=YxTsAAAAMAAJ) "As Muzaffar Fazal-ud-Din, a Christian, executive secretary of the Idara-e-Amn-o-Insaf says, “When our organisation talks about giving handloom workers their rights, about improving the conditions of brick-kiln workers or even farmers, what difference does it make whether the worker is a Muslim or from the Scheduled Castes?" * Mr Muzzaffar's remarks encapsulate the real problems that lies behind the suffering of the minority religious - communities in" (https://books.google.com/books?id=9WZGKF9JGO8C), "The Idara-e-Amn-o-Insaf was set up in 1974 as a joint initiative by the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Karachi and the Church of Pakistan. It was a vibrant civil society organisation working for labour rights, social awareness and the rights of non-Muslim communities. For social activists, the organisation was important for various reasons." (https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/232532-Idara-e-Amn-o-Insaf-never-recovered-from-the-attack-that-left-seven-staffers-dead) --Soman (talk) 08:33, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 08:06, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge seems the obvious solution--there's no point in having both articles. I suggest this be the title -- its more general. DGG' ( talk ) 02:22, 4 February 2018 (UTC)


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