Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Idol: The Musical


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. A Merger discussion can continue on the Talk Star   Mississippi  03:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Idol: The Musical

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Played off-Broadway for a month and flopped. No notable sources. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 00:48, 8 June 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Theatre. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 00:48, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - A flop musical doesn't mean it isn't notable, otherwise we'd have very few musical theatre articles. Plenty of sources available. Mark E (talk) 09:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Despite my initial prod2, I found multiple sources including reviews, which I have added to the article. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. It played only in previews and closed on its opening night.  A couple of reviewers noted that it sucked.  Not an encyclopedic topic.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:20, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep if the sources can be verified. The Playbill articles are no longer on the website. I couldn't find any sources in Gnews, not surprising for a play that only had one show over a decade ago. We seem to have one, maybe two reviews and a confirmation of it opening and closing. Oaktree b (talk) 13:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment, some words could be added to American Idol? Coolabahapple (talk) 13:17, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Possibly the introduction? Maybe if this passes AfD, I'll propose a merger. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 20:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

The verifiable fact of the existence of the show ought to be on the main article anyway, so I have just put it there. I haven't linked it, because if this is deleted that will result in a red link inviting re-creation, but if this survives the AfD, perhaps someone will throw square brackets around it. If not, there really doesn't seem to be anything else worth merging. Kevin McE (talk) 14:59, 22 June 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Keep or Merge to American Idol article? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:21, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * And was promptly deleted from that article without even the decency of an explanatory edit note, which I have raised at talk there. But that does raise the anomolous situation whereby a decision to merge cab be made at AfD with no reference to the target of the merger, which would not be possible under a normal merger process.  Kevin McE (talk) 15:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, if even the fans don't care enough about it, I would say that counts against notability. That said, I would support KevinMcE's suggestion to merge to the main American Idol article as I think this show is mainly notable as part of the larger American Idol phenomenon rather than as its own thing. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 19:20, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't have to wait until AfD is over to propose a merger: merger rather than deletion is a valid AfD ourcome, effectively proposed by both Coolabahapple and yourself before I got here. And I wouldn't take one editor's actions as representative of 'the fans'. Kevin McE (talk) 23:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge to American Idol. This will require discussion w/ the fanboys over there, as the first attempt was immediately reverted. However, as I stated above, the subject of this article is only notable in the context of the larger cultural phenomenon that is American Idol. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 23:46, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I would agree with this solution. If it is properly referenced with a review and a ref that confirms the dates, it can be merged into the cultural impact section at American Idol and should survive there. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Easiest thing to do would be to port over the introduction. It gives a good overview and it's properly sourced. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 02:47, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thankfully, we now have Template: Merge from AfD to invite them to discuss it. Kevin McE (talk) 12:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * And that template is now in place there. Kevin McE (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't port over so much. Just the following: "A 2007 musical, based on the show, called Idol: The Musical, played off-Broadway.[footnotes] The musical closed on its official opening night.[footnote]" -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Anything more than a single line would be excessive. I wouldn't call it a merge. Hzh (talk) 20:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  This AfD discussion includes a proposal for merger to American Idol,,, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , and a notice of the proposed merger was posted to on June 23. As such, this AfD discussion may need to be extended or relisted to incorporate input from.

Kevin McE (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No opinion on whether to keep or not, but oppose merging. The musical merits a single line mention in the American Idol article irrespective of what happens to this article, but merging some or all of the content (such as the suggested porting over of its introduction) is not acceptable, it would distort its significance to the TV show. Hzh (talk) 22:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What about a line and a half? And we also need to define a "line." After all, a line next to an infobox or a photo is shorter than a full, unobstructed line. Are we counting cites? What if the cites cause a word or two to go over onto a second line? I'm starting to feel like John Adams in the musical 1776. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 01:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.