Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/If You Don't Wanna Love Me


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was convert into a disambiguation page. I have done the basic framework; can somebody who supported this clean it up and add the appropriate formatting, links, categories etc? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:57, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

If You Don't Wanna Love Me

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While this song has charted, I could not find any evidence of significant coverage from third-party, reliable sources. For that reason, I believe this article fails WP:NSONG. While charting may indicate notability, it is more so established through coverage, and I just do not see enough to justify a separate article. Aoba47 (talk) 00:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Aoba47 (talk) 00:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what angle you're working, but you seem to have a problem with song articles that do pass WP:NSONG. It appears that your issue is that NSONG isn't tight enough; if that is indeed the case, you should start a discussion on that guidelines talk page first. Better yet, if you think a better suggestion is to redirect rather than delete, why did you open this AfD in the first place? You're contradicting your own suggestion.  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 01:39, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not have an angle and I do not have an issue with WP:NSONG. As I already said in the AFD you have linked above, WP:NSONG is already very clear on this matter. Charting may indicate notability, but it does not absolutely prove it. WP:NSONG is very clear on that and it puts more focus on coverage. I do not see how I am being contradictory. In response to the message you posted above, it was part of a larger conversation and I wanted to ask that editor about it since they had recommended a different redirect target. I do not think this song meets the WP:NSONG so I am nominating it. I would ask that you assume good faith and be less accusatory with your messages and overall tone. Aoba47 (talk) 01:47, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * And to be completely clear, I opened this AFD to get a larger discussion about the article. I was actually going to work on the article, but I could not find a significant amount of coverage so I wanted to open up a discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 03:03, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, then why did you contradict your own previous suggestion? You still seem to interpreting NSONG in your own way.  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 21:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per Aoba47. Don't get into an argument, vote and state your reasons. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I wasn't arguing; chill out.  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 21:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Though coverage is scarce, I found a couple reliable sources which talk about the song: and . The song is briefly described here as well:  and . Not to mention that it is a Top 30 hit in the dance & R&B charts and a minor hit in the Hot 100. That said, the article is good enough to pass WP:NSONG.  ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 12:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not think the sources cited by are enough to prove substantial coverage. I believe this only shows that a limited amount of coverage does exist, and this information can be covered in the album article. Aoba47 (talk) 16:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Youknowigotsoul is not really a reliable source. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:NSONG with sources presented by Astig. They're reliable enough, IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 02:30, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Since the consensus seems to be pointing to keep, I request a withdraw for this nomination. I am not fully convinced by the above arguments, since the sources are "scarce" as even Superastig admits, but I will respect the consensus. Aoba47 (talk) 00:15, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Striking out my withdrawal request and will let a consensus form on its own. Aoba47 (talk) 09:02, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge to Tamar (album). Of the sources cited above, Rated RNB and You Know I Got Soul are both unreliable and we don't have any evidence that the song is covered in any context beyond a passing mention in The Source. In the absence of significant coverage, it's best to cover it summary style within the parent article. Keep ye faith.  czar  05:51, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Dab (per Ten Pound Hammer) works too, but there's still content to merge from this stub and, technically, I'd recommend renaming this article If You Don't Wanna Love Me (Tamar song), then merging, then creating a new dab page. (not watching, please )  czar  03:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 23:43, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Convert to disambiguation page. The sources added were not reliable, and as of this writing the only sources in the article are from Discogs, Amazon, and the like, meaning that the song does not meet WP:NSONG. However, the 2005 album Loco Motive by Cowboy Troy also contains a song titled "If You Don't Wanna Love Me". While that one likely doesn't meet WP:NSONG either, it was released as a single and seems like a plausible enough search term. Therefore a disambig pointing to each song's respective album, such as is the case with If the Jukebox Took Teardrops, seems like a very logical solution. Pinging the AFD participants for their feedback on this idea. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually did not think about a disambiguation page as a possibility. That seems like a logical step to me. Aoba47 (talk) 01:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate: Changed my vote per reasons above. While I still stand by my argument, a disambiguate will be the way to go since there are other songs bearing that name. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 11:50, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't really have an opinion on the sources that were added since this AfD was opened, but where's the guideline that states AllMusic and Billboard aren't reliable sources?  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 21:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't see anyone contesting the reliability of Billboard or AllMusic in this AFD. Did you post in the wrong discussion? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 23:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate As per Ten Pound Hammer. MrsSnoozyTurtle 10:19, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.