Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ignacio Báez


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The result was   delete. postdlf (talk) 18:44, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Ignacio Báez

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Appears to fail WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. There are claims of playing professional football here; but I can't seem to find anything to prove that he has. He certainly never played for Portland Timbers in the NASL, and it doesn't appear that they were fully pro in 1988 or 1989. The New Mexico Chiles didn't play in a league listed in WP:FPL, Irapuato were in a league not listed in FPL, and there's no evidence he played for Club America or Cruz Azul. Luke no 94 (tell Luke off here) 13:53, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * In 1990 Baez played for the New Mexico Chiles in the American Professional Soccer League (APSL), a fully professional league and the top U.S. league at the time. Before that, he played in the Western Soccer Alliance which, along with the American Soccer League on the east coast, was the top level U.S. league.  In 1995, Baez coached in the USISL Professional League, roughly equivalent at the time to a second division league with the A-League (formerly the APSL) being the de-facto U.S. first division league.  Mohrflies (talk) 15:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The APSL is not listed under WP:FPL. Given comments within the 1980s Portland Timbers article that the club was only semi-professional (as it contained amateur and professional players), the APSL cannot have been fully pro. There is no evidence he actually played a match for New Mexico Chiles in any search I made anyway. USISL Professional League is also not listed under FPL, and neither is the Western Soccer Alliance. The majority of top-flight US leagues were semi-professional. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 15:41, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete - per nom. He has not played in a fully pro league, and has not received significant coverage meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:06, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Baez played both in a fully professional soccer league and a top level leagues which was not fully professional per WP:NFOOTY Mohrflies (talk) 00:12, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, there is no evidence he actually played in a match anywhere, and you've failed to provide it. Top level leagues that aren't fully pro do not satisfy NFOOTY. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 08:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 11:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - there is no record of Báez at Mediotiempo.com, so I don't believe he ever appeared in the Mexican Primera, and there is also no evidence he appeared in a fully-pro US league. I can't find evidence that the article would pass the GNG either. Jogurney (talk) 13:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
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