Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Igor Krajcev


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Skomorokh, barbarian  00:10, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Igor Krajcev

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Non-notable writer; article created as autobio; article creator has been unable to provide reliable sources beyond two local newspaper articles that mention him promoting his novel; instead wages a revert-war through anon IPs to remove the unsourced-BLP warning tags from the article. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete It has been 2 weeks and the author(s) of this page has still not been able to provide sufficiant sources/references to justify its notability. The two only(same)sources are written in macedonian that does not seem quite pertinent. Notability is questionable and not sufficant coverage (Google search has practically no pertinant hits about this person. Jolenine  (Talk - Contribs) 14:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Macedonia-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 *  Comment but leaning towards delete Delete - I'd like someone who knows the language to look at this to see if the award would count as a notable award or honor per WP:ANYBIO. If it's not notable then it's a delete and there's no other case made for notability per WP:N or WP:AUTHOR. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 04:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I had invited Apcbg who understands Macedonian to take a look and am leaning towards delete from what I see on the updated article in terms of references and potential qualifying points for notability. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 06:30, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment but leaning towards delete changed to Delete as the underpinnings for notability are not strong enough to hold this article up. See reply to Apcbg below. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 21:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - The article is better sourced now, I believe. Moved to 'Igor Krajčev' as is the correct transliteration of the name. Apcbg (talk) 08:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you Apcbg for the tidying. Could you please explain the 9th November 2008 Award of Merit award? I'm trying to see what points on WP:N, WP:GNG, or WP:AUTHOR he's qualifying under. The award seems like a city government award and not one of national importance that would have been reported widely within Macedonia. In other words, would this award be "notable" in terms of coverage about it from reliable secondary sources? It appears the coverage of the author is trivial. Игор Крајчев is only mentioned once on each of the cited refs and usually as part of a list of names. It's hardly the detailed coverage from reliable secondary sources that WP:N wants. If I'm reading this correctly his only qualifying point for notability would be the award win under WP:GNG if it's a "notable" award. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 06:30, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Here is what I gather from the available sources. Igor Krajčev is a young writer whose work has already got some notable recognition and nationwide media coverage.  He was listed by Dnevnik Daily (an important national newspaper) along with few other writers from the city of Veles (one of the major cultural centres of the Republic of Macedonia) in an article on that city’s public library.  Krajčev’s novel Warriors and Heroes was considered of national significance by their Ministry of Culture (sourced), and was presented publicly at a national (in fact international) annual cultural event (Racinovi Sredbi); the presentation was reported in a separate article by Večer Daily (another important national newspaper).  I don't know much about the award in question; what I see is that that award along with Krajčev’s receiving it was regarded as notable enough to be reported by the country’s official information agency; by the way, Krajčev was not one of many to receive that award for 2008, as a matter of fact he was the only writer among them (the others were a folk group and three sportsmen).  It is my opinion that this is notable enough as well as NPOV and adequately sourced now (all the sources mentioned above are reliable secondary ones); therefore, I confirm my “Keep” opinion. Apcbg (talk) 09:47, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I see the Dnevnik Daily coverage as trivial as Krajčev is one of a list of names and there's no significant coverage per what WP:N asks for. The recognition at Racinovi Sredbi is stickier. WP:ANYBIO includes "The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for one." It seems plausible that it is notable within Macedonia and thus would qualify Krajčev under WP:ANYBIO. I wish there were language or country specific WP:INCUBATORs as this article looks like a good candidate to park off to the side pending someone with the time and language skills to evaluate if Racinovi Sredbi is notable and to create an article on that which would then allow both the Racinovi Sredbi and Igor Krajčev articles to be moved into mainspace.
 * I'm still with delete and hopefully someone who later takes an interest in Igor Krajčev will spot this AFD and first work on Racinovi Sredbi before asking that the Krajčev article be undeleted or userfied. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 21:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "I see the Dnevnik Daily coverage as trivial as Krajčev is one of a list of names" - Well, Dnevnik is listing Krajčev as one of five notable writers from the city of Veles; do you believe that he ought to have been listed as the city's single notable writer in order to see that publication as nontrivial? :-) Apcbg (talk) 07:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should explain the list of names thing better. When checking to see a subject has significant coverage per WP:N I make notes to myself about each search engine hit. "list of names" explains the hit and that the subject was not covered in any detail. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 08:08, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 16:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete as there don't appear to be multiple reliable sources that discuss the subject in a non-trivial way. As mentioned above by Marc Kupper, the only mention of the subject appears to be in lists of award recipients (where the award is of unknown notability). While the cleanup is an improvement, there still don't appear to be sources discussing the subject, outside of passing references. -- B figura (talk) 18:50, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment to closing admin - If consensus is delete please be aware that the article was moved during the discussion. I suspect the best way to handle it will be to first move this page to Articles for deletion/Igor Krajčev and then to delete Igor Krajčev. That way the links to this AFD discussion will be valid no matter how someone seeks this article and/or AFD. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 21:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


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