Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Igor Vayner


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The result was delete. Even though many participants in the discussion did not say "delete", the consensus about failing WP:V seems clear. Geschichte (talk) 13:28, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Igor Vayner

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Hello! I am proposing this article for deleting because I am quite sure that it is a hoax. Evidence that I gathered tells me that every fact apart from real name of the person (Zinovi Arnoldovich Vayner) was made up by author. First of all, in sources "Розстріляне відродження: Антологія 1917—1933: Поезія — проза — драма — есей" (it's just compilation of poetry), "Простір свободи. Україна на шпальтах паризької "Культури"." (this book has just 266 pages, not 528 as said in the article), "Енциклопедія історії України" and "These horrible words: Solovki, Sandormokh" that are cited in the article, there is no mention of such architect "Igor Vayner". I could not find online copy of book "Novoselitsa Synagogue", so I cannot tell anything about it. Next thing is factual inaccuracies: it says that Igor Vayner was "close friend of Mykola Zerov" and even was arrested with him in Vinnitsya by the NKVD. Mykola Zerov is real person and he really was arrested by NKVD but in Kyiv near Moscow (thats my mistake, sorry), not in Vinnitsya. It says that Vayner was listed among the architects of National Palace of Arts. Author of this article, maybe, put this information, because real architect of Palace was uk:Вайнер Ілля Гершович (Ilya Vayner; completely different person with the same surname). Also it says that street in Vinnitsya was named after Vayner but there is no such street. Why would anyone do that? In book titled "Реабiлiтованi iсторiею. Вiнницька область. Книга 1" there is mention of Zinovi Arnoldovich Vayner who was agent of NKVD but in 1937 was sentenced to death because of some reasons. Maybe, in such way, someone tried to "change history" by creating fake person with the same name but different life choices. The only unknown thing to me is photo: I could not find out where exactly it came from. P.S. Article in Ukrainian was translated from English and will be nominated for deletion as well. Renvoy (talk) 15:33, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Renvoy (talk) 15:33, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Renvoy (talk) 15:33, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. Renvoy (talk) 15:33, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I searched in Russian and I only find a KGB officer with this name and years of birth/death . The bio seems to be a hoax and needs to be deleted. Even if some things are not a hoax it is impossible to separate them from whatever was made up. One probably needs to look at the article creator more closely.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Linking the discussion on Ukrainian Wikipedia: https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Вікіпедія:Статті-кандидати_на_вилучення/6_листопада_2021#Ігор_Вайнер wizzito &#124; say hello!  08:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * UPD: Today I recieved all avalible materials on case of Zinoviy Vayner from State Archive. Long story short, my initial assumption was correct: bio of real person is completely different from the story in the article. Vayner was an electrician, not architect. Later he was studying in so called "High Party School", not Chernivtsi National University and so on and so on. Real bio of person is described in these, these, these and these documents from the case (in Russian). Some other materials on the case are avalible here.--Renvoy (talk) 23:03, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  00:08, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Please note that article in ukwiki was deleted.--Renvoy (talk) 10:54, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. Also note that the author was a complete WP:SPA. Colonestarrice (talk) 10:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.