Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ihor Pavlyuk


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. My reading of the consensus is that the person might be notable, but the article in its current state is blatantlty promotive, and per WP:COI should not be there. No prejudice against recreation provided the new article has been written by a person without COI and adheres to the Wikipedia policies.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:27, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Ihor Pavlyuk

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As this article has been around for several years, therefore not subject to speedy deletion, I'm renominating it as a bio for a writer who fails WP:NOTEBLP.

Sources provided are essentially from the amateur blogosphere, and publications by the subject of the bio are self-published.

The creator of the page has already been asked to provide 3rd party RS in order to demonstrated the notability of the subject, who is most certainly himself.

While the editor has done some further editing since the CSD earlier in April (both via his own account and via his IP), no responses have been forthcoming to, , or myself in order to establish that he meets any of the WP:CREATIVE criteria.

Considering that the user's own page is a mini-replica of the article in question, it seems that this article is purely WP:PROMOTION.

Note, also, that while other language Wikipedia articles exist, they were all created by the same user as created and maintains this one. Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete I said on the user's talk p. "As reviewing administrator, I did not delete the page, because the number of publications indicates some degree of significance. However, there are some major problems, and the article is likely to be deleted unless immediately improved in the way I've indicated on the article talk page." It has not been improved, and in my opinion   it would be impossible to improve it to the degree that it shows notability. Normally I would inclien to accept the verdict of their national WP for a national author, but not in this case. After we delete it here, I hope people with the ability to write in the other languages will mention the fact on the other WPs. Each WP uses its own  standards, but I find it difficult to believe that it would meet the standards of any one of them,.  I want to thank  for following up on this, because I had forgotten.  DGG ( talk ) 04:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep . Comment. I think he meets "any biography" criteria as a recipient of seven national awards and one international (PEN) award and author of many books which were not self-published (I also checked his page on ruwiki - ru:Павлюк, Игорь Зиновьевич). There are 3RD party reliable sources about him on Russian, such as this. Speaking about other wikipedias, yes, it has been already discussed on ruwiki and decided to keep . Yes, I do not like the way someone has created these pages. That was probably  "paid editing". But this is all irrelevant, as far as this page satisfies our notability criteria. My very best wishes (talk) 04:44, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * While I understand that you are an inclusionist,, I don't adhere to any particular predisposition for Wikipedia articles other than on a case-by-case basis. Having read through the specific deletion discussion on Russian Wikipedia, the 'keep' was based on regional significance, not global significance. Even overlooking the WP:COI aspects of the writing of the article in the original instance, I still fail to see how this article is relevant to English Wikipedia. Primarily, it is a promotional article reiterated on the user's page. I see nothing of any global substance for English Wikipedia other than using Wikipedia as an promotional venue, i.e. it blatantly flaunts COI in the face of the premise behind the Wikipedia project. The subject is not notable for the purpose of English Wikipedia. To retain it is to deliberately encourage spurious pretensions to notability based on lack of knowledge of the subject in the Anglosphere. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Per the policy, there is no requirement for a person to be notable internationally or in the English-speaking world. It is enough to be recognized nationally. This is someone who is mostly notable nationally, although his work has been also recognized by PEN International. I simply made my best policy-based judgement - as someone previously involved in discussion and because you pinged me.My very best wishes (talk) 02:21, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I fully comprehend your policy-based support for the article being kept. Personally, I would be less inclined to take a hard-line stance if the user were to remove the hard-sell from their own page. It's a pity that the user who developed the article, who is no doubt one and the same as the subject of the article, hasn't been prepared to engage in discussions in order to demonstrate that they're WP:HERE. I'm certainly not beyond listening to his arguments, particularly as, between the two of us, he could state his case in Ukrainian or Russian and use us as proxies for translations into English. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:32, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong here. This is a borderline notability page, and I do not really care if it will be deleted or not. And creating an article about him on Cantonese was definitely an overkill - this is a kind of things only bad editors for hire normally do. My very best wishes (talk) 03:45, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Quite. I find myself wondering when the Malay, Fijian and Burmese versions will be created in order to entrench the article. In principle, this is a cynical use of Wikipedia as an encyclopaedic resource at best. There's nothing to establish that the author is actually particularly notable (he's certainly not the only person to have 'distinguished' himself with a couple of prizes), and all of the user and IP editor developments hail from Lviv (the subject of the article's place of birth and home). Coupled with no indication with being HERE in any sense, the existence of the article is an affront to the fundamental principles of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not Linked-in, or any other form of advertising space. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:11, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * "I know that a nebulous terrain exists in the hearts and minds of every person, a terrain that cannot be adequately characterized in simple terms of right and wrong or good and bad. I see this ambiguity in Ihor Pavlyuk’s works and I am happy in the knowledge that there is a very good poet in Ukraine."

—Mo Yan, recipient of the Nobel Prize for Literature, 2012[29] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bondya (talk • contribs) 14:40, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


 * A Flight over the Black Sea (London, Waterloo Press), (Політ над Чорним морем), 2014 (poems by Ihor Pavlyuk in English. Translated from Ukrainian by Stephen Komarnyckyj, foreword to a book written recipient of the Nobel Prize for Literature Mo Yan and Naomi Foyle, Steve Komarnyckyj, Dmytro Drozdovskyi), ISBN 978-1-906742-70-6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bondya (talk • contribs) 14:53, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but permutations of Mo Yan's eloquent "copy" "nebulous terrain exists in the hearts and minds of every person" is proving to be lucrative for him: see how many times this has been used in various venues across the web. Again, I'd like to point out how Waterloo Press functions. It is a pay-for press subsidised by a grant. More to the point, the publication is described here, and this apparent 'endorsement' is noted here by the same Naomi Foyle who recommends it on the Waterloo Press page... Naomi Foyle is, herself, an aspiring poet who teaches creative writing. There's more literary nepotism than authenticity pervading all of these tenuous links. Was Mo Yan paid for his 'brand'? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:03, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeh, after looking at this, the quotation above looks suspicious (to tell this politely). My very best wishes (talk) 03:14, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Finally, leaning toward delete per WP:COI. My very best wishes (talk) 03:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Dear colleagues! This is Ihor Pavlyuk, the "objective" of your discussions. I was deeply touched by your attention to my life and my poetry. This page was open to my English-speaking readers for many years ago. I have been receiving so many letters from people from all over the world who found my poetry with Wikipedia. Thank you for that. I think starting this discussion you could ask also me about my international goals and world cooperation. I never paid to anyone for the preface to my book or any review about my poetry. It is a non-sense for a poet to pay for evaluations. I did not pay also this time. If you have any evidence of purchasing a Nobel winner – please open it bravely. I also received English PEN award for my English translations and did not pay a penny for this award. Speaking frankly, it is a bullshit. I think you could delete some phrases or cut my page shorter if you find it necessary. But please do not accuse of irreal things. If you have any questions, please contact me directly at: https://www.facebook.com/ihor.pavlyuk Best, Ihor Pavlyuk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.44.198.39 (talk) 09:47, 22 June 2015 (UTC)