Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ilaria Ramelli


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Consensus is to keep and rewrite/neutralize. (non-admin closure) Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 06:59, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Ilaria Ramelli
Not only is this article advertising, but the 128 IP editors (as well as an unknown sockpuppet account named "Swister Twister") are most likely paid editors, conflict of interest, or similar. Deleting mods, please act accordingly. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 11:09, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Seems to be an industry heavyweight, where the industry is academia. Pass WP:NPROF, WP:SIGCOV and WP:BIO. A solid long term cleanup effort is needed to bring the article up to standard. It is certainly highly promotional and beyond the pale. It is worth remembering that "Swister Twister" who was certainly a sockpuppet also did a tremendous amount of excellent work. I don't see any evidence that the article IP editors are all paid. Some perhaps but not all. I suspect if was fully paid up gig, it would have been a single editor. Hard to tell though.   scope_creep Talk  11:16, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I was on automatic and started editing it. There is a core article waiting to come out, but it is some mess. It's a brochure, pushing her book on Brill. I'll wait until the Afd is fini. Who knows it might go.  scope_creep Talk  11:55, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep the article (as the subject meets WP:NPROF) but delete the content and start from scratch. A few days ago, this article was in a horrendous state, and while some of the worst content has been removed, it really needs to be rewritten in its entirety. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with that idea. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳</b>) 22:38, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Regardless of any paid interests (or not), if the article is completely rewritten to be WP:NPOV by unpaid Wikipedia editors instead of sounding like a flashy Curriculum vitae, it would be worth keeping due to the subject's academic qualifications. LovelyLillith (talk) 00:31, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

I got an idea
If I'm not mistaken, aren't there tools to see where IP addresses are located in? While I'm too lazy and busy to do so myself, perhaps a more seasoned editor with a little more spare time on their hands than me could have a look at the IPs, determine if they're the same person/people or not, and take according action. If the IPs all belong to a single company or organisation, then it would justify deletion. <b style="color:#00205B">Woshiyiwei</b><b style="color:#0077C0">zhongguo</b><b style="color:#00205B">ren</b> (<b style="color:#0077C0">🇨🇳</b>) 22:37, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Academic notability?
She seems somewhat notable. For what it's worth: Thoughts? --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 00:26, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * She has an authority record at the Library of Congress.
 * Perhaps worthwhile to search for holdings of her works at WorldCat?
 * Here is her GoodReads page. Quite a few books written or cowritten by her. 34 ratings as of now, but I wouldn't expect an academic to have many.
 * I agree with Cordless Larry to delete the article first, then start from scratch, avoiding the issues that cause the current article to be poor. <b style="color:#00205B">Woshiyiwei</b><b style="color:#0077C0">zhongguo</b><b style="color:#00205B">ren</b> (<b style="color:#0077C0">🇨🇳</b>) 14:17, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting to delete the article, but its current content. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that involve blanking the article though? <b style="color:#00205B">Woshiyiwei</b><b style="color:#0077C0">zhongguo</b><b style="color:#00205B">ren</b> (<b style="color:#0077C0">🇨🇳</b>) 12:53, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * No, we can just replace it with a stub. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:20, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I will create a new article if it gets deleted. She is important enought for a full article.  scope_creep Talk  15:42, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep. Good topic, bad article. Delete the current article and restart. Are we all in agreement here; any objections? <b style="color:#00205B">Woshiyiwei</b><b style="color:#0077C0">zhongguo</b><b style="color:#00205B">ren</b> (<b style="color:#0077C0">🇨🇳</b>) 19:14, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.