Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Illmind


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Stifle (talk) 09:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Illmind

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Non-notable producer. Has worked with a few notable artist but not on any notable tracks. Tagged for notability and expansion since March 2008. Fails WP:MUSIC. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  15:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC) 
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   — Hello, Control  Hello, Tony  15:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  04:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Worked with notable artists but nothing himself. We wouldn't give an article to the guy who produced Nirvana's lost demo tape, Echo and the Bunnymen's flop and Cream's first single which failed to chart, so this one should go. Special  K (KoЯn flakes) 08:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Obvious Keep, producer for Little Brother, Sean Price, Boot Camp Clik, El Da Sensei, Supastition, Akrobatik etc. The fact that in this context producer means creator of the musical track is just one of many things wrong with KoЯn flakes' analogy above. WP:MUSIC doesn't say anything about producers of any stripe, and can be overruled by common sense in any case. 86.44.31.100 (talk) 16:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * illmind reviewed in in the NYT illmind in Scheme illmind in prefixmag illmind in Akrobatik review in Seattle Post Intelligencer blog 86.44.31.100 (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Times piece is a two sentence writeup of his Jay-Z remix album, in an article that writes up twelve different Jay-Z remix albums. Post-Intelligencer link is similarly trivial. As mentioned in the nom, there is no indication that any of the tracks he's produced are notable—working with a notable artist does not transfer notability to the producer. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  16:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * there is no indication that any of the tracks he's produced are notable He produced (that is, produced and created the musical tracks) on half the last Little Brother album; am I to understand this was the non-notable half?


 * Early in his career he released an album under his own name on bbe / beat generation. Had he continued in this vein he would be notable per WP:Music as an artist in his own right; he would also have close to zero impact on hip hop as opposed to now. 86.44.27.95 (talk) 23:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see that any one track on that album is particularly notable. If you'd like to show me that I'm mistaken please provide more information (chart success, etc.). If his work on the album was particularly notable, then surely there must be plenty of media coverage lauding his work, singing his praises. Similarly, if his impact on hip hop is so great, where is the coverage? — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  00:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not that his impact is truly great, it's that it's much more significant (reaching many more thousands) than if he had continued in a vein (making producer albums under his own name) that would have made him compliant with WP:MUSIC as an artist. And it's not that you're mistaken insofar as you are trying to match him to various strictures in WP:MUSIC (as artist, as songwriter, as composer) but not looking at the body of work (which is to me self-evident as notable). Coverage will be along the lines outlined above unless he a) goes back to releasing under his own name b) dies or c) becomes a superstar producer (of which there are few). 86.44.27.95 (talk) 04:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


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