Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Illyrian Shepherd


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The result was Make into disambiguation page.  Sandstein  10:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Illyrian Shepherd

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This is just a former name of the Šarplaninac (and Karst Shepherd) dog breeds. I see no reason to have two articles on the same dog breed just because the official name has been changed.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:41, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 12:45, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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 * Comment I dont agree with the NOM to delete this, the reason is not sufficient for a deletion. After an independent careful searching on WP:RS as well as sites, I have come to the concluson that Illyrian Shepherd is an ancestor to the 2 distinct modern breeds Šarplaninac and Karst Shepherd based on this and Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI) data. The difference is nomencalture of the last two dogs is simply based on the region where they developed. Šarplaninac in Yugoslavia and Karst Shepherd in Slovenia. These 2 modern breeds are notable and distinct article on their own, per the WP:RS FCI. The common name of the dog breed In Yugoslavia is Šarplaninac. FCI Šarplaninac   and  And FCI Karst Shepherd in Slovenia.  So I suggest creating a Disambiguation at this location with redirects to Šarplaninac and Karst Shepherd. Illyrian Shepherd is a candidate for redirect, but both the articles can be the destination based on the country, since it is an ancestor to both these breeds. I propose creating a Disambiguation page on the current location of Illyrian Shepherd
 * Illyrian Shepherd in Yugoslavia REDIRECTS to Šarplaninac
 * Illyrian Shepherd in Slovenia REDIRECTS to Karst Shepherd-- D Big X ray  16:41, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Slovenia was, in fact, part of Yugoslavia. I basically agree with you, but the wording should be changed.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  22:30, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Since FCI calls these 2 names, different breed both with a common ancestor, so the 2 new articles should be treated as distinct, so this is no longer a debate. As regard to Illyrian Shepherd, I think disambiguate is the best course of action. Vanjagenije So what is your proposal ? wording should be changed to what ? -- D Big X ray  23:40, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with your proposal to turn the article into a disambiguation page, exact wording can be decided later.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  14:21, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the agreement. Yes, I am open to any copy edit of the phrase in my proposal. -- D Big X ray  21:44, 15 May 2018 (UTC)


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