Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Imagine There's No Pizza


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Herman_Cain. Black Kite (t) (c) 11:33, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Imagine There's No Pizza

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I somewhat regret nominating this article for AfD, but I'm afraid that it doesn't meet notability criteria nor is it likely to. "Imagine There's No Pizza" is a parody song which was performed by Herman Cain at an Omaha Press Club event in 1991. It came to public attention in the last day or so because a newspaper found a clip of it while covering Cain's current presidential campaign. It's a very amusing parody (see ). But I don't see how it can qualify as notable for an article of its own under the WP:MUSIC criteria for songs, because as far as I know it has only been peformed live once, and there is no chance that it will ever be commercially released, unless Yoko Ono is a lot more entertained by it than I would have expected her to be. If this AfD ends in a redirect rather than a delete, I won't object, but I'm not sure where it should redirect to (probably either Herman Cain or Imagine (song)). Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:31, 18 October 2011 (UTC) Redirect and Merge - we don't want to lose the content, but you're prob. right that it doesn't justify/need a page to itself. Herman Cain seems the right place. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:44, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment What about redirecting the page with possible references to Herman_Cain, where the song is mentioned? (I assume that this particular title would be associated rather with Cain than with Lennon. Btw, the cover + relevant background is already mentioned at Imagine_(song)). --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 08:31, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:19, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:19, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge and Redirect to Herman_Cain. As Vejvančický points out, it's already mentioned there. Enough coverage to warrant a mention in an article, but not enough to justify a stand-alone page.--JayJasper (talk) 03:48, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, the English Wikipedia should not function as a soapbox (per policy WP:SOAP)- Gilliam (talk) 07:53, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How is this a soapbox? We're not promoting Godfather's Pizza or Herman Cain's campaign, we're just documenting them. Difluoroethene (talk) 14:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No indeed, the article is a quiet report, no soapboxing at all.Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:49, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Cain is now the frontrunner in the RCP polls, and his campaign is history-making (he's the first serious black candidate the GOP has ever had, and he's done unusually well for someone with no experience in elected office). As a result, he's now a significant figure in American politics. Because of this, "Imagine There's No Pizza" has been getting enough coverage as a human interest story to be notable. On a side note, I don't think Yoko Ono would need to give permission for the song to be released, actually, as parody is protected under the First Amendment (just ask Weird Al). I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cain campaign releasing this as a digital single in order to appeal to younger voters. Difluoroethene (talk) 16:42, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Now that I think of it, Weird Al Yankovic gets permission for his songs primarily so that he can share the songwriting credit with the original writer; I guess Cain could skip getting Yoko's permission if he didn't want to claim any songwriting royalties. Still, we can't give the song notability for being released as a digital single unless and until that actually happens. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:26, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect (or vice-versa) per JayJasper. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:29, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Obviously no separate article for this is merited. Redirect to Mr. Cain.--Milowent • hasspoken 02:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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