Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iman Farzin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. After nearly two weeks, a relist, sock blocks, and protection, a consensus to delete has emerged, so I think this is ripe for closure. Broadly, participants are not convinced that the subject meets our inclusion criteria, but there is also a minority of opinions that boil down to WP:TNT. By comparison, most of the non-sock keep votes are relatively weak. Few go beyond simply asserting the subject meets the GNG, and for the couple that actually analyze the Farsi sources, participants generally did not find them convincing as shown by some editors changing from keep to delete. Thanks to everyone who participated through comments and cleanup. — Wug·a·po·des​ 23:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Iman Farzin

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Not notable. It's a paid article and we deleted it several times in fawiki.  ARASH PT   talk  22:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.   ARASH PT   talk  22:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, we blocked the article author and his sockpuppets on fawiki.  ARASH PT   talk  22:09, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  22:25, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  22:25, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone  22:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment This article is inflated with some passing mentions but on the other hand he did attract some genuine third party coverage for his roles and his accusations of corruption have received significant coverage. I haven’t ploughed through all the refs but the latter ones look to me like they make him a GNG pass. Mccapra (talk) 05:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep The article has about 30 secondary sources, including iranian major news agencies. The person is notable in Iranian football, plus he has been assigned for the Rio 2016 Olympics and FIBA Basketball World Cup 2019 and some other major International sport events. The reason that This article is being considered for deletion, is that I created the article for this person in farsi wikipedia, but the same user (Arash.pt) deleted that immediately and blocked my user account! He even deleted my comment in Administrators' noticeboard. I believe that some users in farsi wikipedia are trying to make that project exclusive, it's a kind of mafia there. --Sajjadimanian (talk) 10:48, 28 October 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - Comments I was wondering if there is some indication he is being suppressed by the Iranian government and that there maybe more issues surrounding this person. I highly doubt this is paid editing, I disagree with the assumption this is not-notable. Govvy (talk) 10:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep meets the General notability guideline (Significant coverage and secondary sources Independent of the subject)--31.2.137.149 (talk) 11:10, 28 October 2020 (UTC) — 31.2.137.149 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep Solidly referenced to reliable sources—to the extent of passing WP:BLPSOURCES—and WP:ANYBIO. Furthermore, the nomination is flawed per WP:SKCRIT1 (and could be speedily closed): after all, what happens of fa-wp stays on fa-wp, and no Wikipedia project is bound by the actions (or otherwise) of a sister project. Secondly, paid editing is not yet a reason for deletion. Indeed, it is probably an argument to avoid in a discussion such as this. 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:3920:992F:79F9:176 (talk) 12:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC) — 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:3920:992F:79F9:176 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment can anybody with a knowledge of Farsi please comment on the claims made/sources present? GiantSnowman 14:19, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * maybe post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Iran? It seems semi-active at least. 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:3920:992F:79F9:176 (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Three votes from IPs and a sockpuppet in one day! You can find anything about anyone in Iranian news agencies. Let's check the sources:
 * 3 sources (inn, tabnak, yjc) about an instagram post.
 * 11 sources about his employment in the media department of the Iranian basketball federation!
 * 4 sources just for his previous job as a freelance photographer!
 * This guy is just paying to have some pages in the Iranian websites and Wikipedia. Govvy said that he is suppressed by the Iranian government that is not true. Actually, he is supported by the Iranian government and all the media coverage is from governmental and extremist news websites.  ARASH PT   talk  15:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder that accusations of sockpuppetry are considered WP:ASPERSIONS unless backed by diffs: An editor must not accuse another of misbehavior without evidence, especially when the accusations are... severe; you should withdraw those comments.I have removed your other comment as a blatant BLP violations (per WP:BLPTALK: Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced and not related to making content choices should be removed, deleted, or oversighted, as appropriate).I suggest you leave an analysis of the sources to others, as you seem rather invested in this article and its fa-wp background. May advise further. 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:3920:992F:79F9:176 (talk) 16:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC) — 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:3920:992F:79F9:176 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Speedy Keep except notability guidelines, the article meets WP:SKCRIT. Unfortunately nominator user is trying to show that the references are invaluable, and he/she even doesn’t know the difference between FIBA and the Iranian basketball federation. The article subject (Iman Farzin) participated at the Summer olympics (assigned by the International Olympic Committee) which is a very different issue than supporting by the Iranian government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arteshesorkh (talk • contribs) 16:17, 28 October 2020 (UTC)   Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Not notable on English WP but may well be on Farsi. Article's a Farsi mess, there are no English sources and Farsi ones are questionable. He's not an Olympic participant, let alone medallist. Arguments are virtually illegible in English here. I worry about 4/5 cites for every statement like 'He is a human being'. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:47, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep' and  what happens at fa-Wiki stays at fa-Wiki. It is slightly worrying that no English language sources at all are used in the article, but others have said that the sources in use seem to meet WP:RS. Mjroots (talk) 18:21, 28 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep The nominator user doesn't have any evidence to proofe that article is paid. Unfortunately in fa-wiki some editors event doesn't know about the notabilty guidlines, that's why this article with 30 references was speedy deleted in fa-wiki. I guess his Revelations about Carlos Queiroz and the Iran Football Federation could be the reason that some editors or some people are gainst him. by the way, article meets Notability (people) and Biographies of living persons, includes valuable secondary references and there is no reason to be deleted. --MHosseinafshar (talk) 09:54, 29 October 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete We have been dealing with Article and paid editor behind for quiet some times, though I agree what happens in fawiki should remain on fawiki but when a person is not notable in his own language while he is not international person this should mean something, this article should be speedy deleted and sockpupets and paid editors should be blocked Mardetanha (talk) 16:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment No "!vote" from me, because I cannot read any cited source and don't trust machine translations. But a comment. He's in Category:Iranian photographers, presumably because the article describes him as a "freelance photographer,[3][4][5][6]". Four sources, merely to demonstrate that he's a freelance photographer -- of what? Beach volleyball, restaurant interiors, weddings, automobile parts? We're not told. All we know of his photography is that four sources say he's a "freelance photographer" of something or other. And his photography is just one example of the way in which this article cites a lot of sources to say remarkably little. Is the article very undeveloped from the sources it cites, or are the sources perhaps very insubstantial? If the former, perhaps some of those people who've said "Keep" above would like to use these sources to say more about him. -- Hoary (talk) 22:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Giant Dear Editor, I'll try to explain you about the sources, hope I can make it clear for you: Here Varzesh3 and Mehrnews and Farsnews and here and Here the subject of news is about him, that is about his assignment by FIBA and his participation at the Basketball World Cup. Also his interview about the corruption of Iran Football Federation here here and his revelations about Carlos Queiroz can be found here Tabnak, here at Iran Daily. Plus his assignment for the Rio 2016 Olympic (as the mainj subject of the news) here HERE. Other reliable references are about his job information, and some news. Let me know if anything is still unclear for you. Thanks --Sajjadimanian (talk) 15:00, 30 October 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I checked all references. The article pass WP:GNG due to the Significant coverage by Iranian media. Even his statement on his social media has been covered and published by many of Iranian media and agencies. All sources meet WP:RS, ISNA, Fars News Agency, Mehr News Agency, 90 TV, Iran Varzeshi newspaper, Tabnak, Varzesh3 and others are Reliable, secondary and independent from subject. Hoary He is a sport photographer and journalist, member of Iran National Beach Soccer team, and assigned for the Rio 2016 Olympics by the IOC. Other sources are covering his assignment by FIBA. I believe that this article even could be speedy keeped and pass WP:SKCRIT, because some reasons of deletion mentioned by some editors seems frivolous or vexatious nominations (like someone said: you can find anything about anyone in Iranian news agencies)!!! --AgentBarsam (talk) 08:45, 30 October 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , I was merely asking about his photography. Even now, the draft says nothing about this. If he's a sports photographer, then what has been said about his sports photography, who has said it, and where? Meanwhile, your comment immediately above is more bulky than the sum of all your other surviving contributions to en:Wikipedia. Something about this seems rather odd, but I can't quite put my finger on what it is. -- Hoary (talk) 13:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - nobody has adequately explained the significance of the sources and I cannot see it myself (as a non-Farsi reader). Nothing appears notable; it appears overly promotional and I am concerned by the number of new editors who appeared from nowhere to try and defend the article. If people can properly assess the sources and confirm GNG is met, please ping me. GiantSnowman 11:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Although no significant English sources, the fa references show WP:GNG. Whilst the article needs some work, that shouldn't be a consideration for deletion. Agree with, what happens on fa-wiki should not spill over here. --John B123 (talk) 13:10, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * what kind of weak argument is this ? there is no significant source in english and there is signifanct source in farsi, we happen to be expert in the Farsi, we can read it and we all are long term users very much familiar with notablity and other guid lines? still you what happens in fa should in spill over, enwiki doesn't belong to anyone, it so for all of us, it is not like we are outsiders coming to enwiki Mardetanha (talk) 12:37, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * @Mardetanha You are not the only one who can read Farsi (Persian). Don't try to cheat english editors with your false information. If there is a strong mafia of editors in fa-wiki, don't bring it here. Keep your opinion for your self and don't expand it please. WP:GNG is very clear in english, and in Persian too, there is no need to explain it to others! --Sajjadimanian (talk) 13:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * intersting now we need insults coming from sockpupets whom were blocked from fawiki, spreading their paid agenda to enwiki, Mardetanha (talk) 14:56, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm resisting the temptation to reach for the popcorn, but I suppose the best thing to do is keep this discussion on topic? Just a suggestion... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Have to agree with you there, perhaps certain participants in this discussion need to read WP:ETIQ. --John B123 (talk) 16:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Firstly, it absolutely is not a requirement for an en.wiki article to have English language sources. Where they’re available that’s great, but where they’re not, we apply our sourcing policy as best we can to sources in other languages. Much of the current article is promotional fluff and can be cut out, e.g. that he’s a freelance photographer. It is still my view that refs 20-23 make him a WP:GNG pass. Ref 20 is to the website of the Football News Agency where Farzin is the subject of the article headline and the entire story is about his accusations. Ref 21 is the Itabnak website where Farzin’s accusations are again the subject of the news story. Ref 22 is to a similar piece in INN where again Farzin’s accusation are the headline and subject of the story. Ref 23 likewise in a piece by the Young Journalists Club. Nobody has put up an argument to show that these sources are not independent or not reliable. Were Farzin’s accusations just sour grapes? Maybe. But they seem to have been given pretty widespread coverage. The strongest case against the article I can see is that the subject may fail WP:BLP1E since in our terms the only genuinely notable thing about him is these accusations. There clearly are other sources for him dealing with other aspects of his career however, including multiple ones from the Mehr News Agency. So while the article can certainly be edited and stripped of refbombing there’s enough here of substance for me not to be comfortable with deletion. Mccapra (talk) 06:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * from what I can see from the sources he made some unsubstantiated accusation on his instagram that Iranian nation team coach is receiving bribe, this accusation didn't receive any attention, I dug it up, nothing found, none of the sources in the article are talking about him and discussing his importance or his role as photographer. Mardetanha (talk) 07:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It is a straightforward untruth that “none of the sources in the article are talking about him”. They are, as anybody with moderately good eyesight can see for themselves. I agree that there is nothing to suggest that he is notable as a photographer. There may well be no substance to his allegations and the whole thing may have blown over very quickly, which would strengthen the case for considering this to fail BLP1E. Mccapra (talk) 11:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you are using machine translation and that is why what I understand is different from what you see is different, I didn't know this person before this AFD, couple of users in fawiki were offered some money to create article for him, we had a through discussion about this and result was he is not notable, now they have brought the team to enwiki, if he was notable I would be more than happy to have another more article about iranian person on enwiki but he is not, I read all sources, did more research on Farsi, Nothing, yes he was working for AFC and he was photographer, so what ? does anyone who travels to sport event is notable ? he throw some accusation to national coach team which didn't receive any media attention, anyhow I have said enough on this AFD Mardetanha (talk) 18:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I added Refs 3,26,27,28 and 29 that shows his notability as an accredited sports photographer. --Sajjadimanian (talk) 14:25, 3 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If someone doesn't know this person, it doesn't mean that he is not notable! Notability is regarded to WP:GNG and other guidelines, not on your personal knowledge. Also his accusation to Carolos Queiroz has a significant media coverage (refs. 22,23,24,25,26,27). Seems user Mardetanha is trying to abuse non-farsi speaking editors by providing wrong information to them. --Thedunker66 (talk) 14:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment It's perhaps worth noting that some contributors to this discussion appear not entirely straightforward. For instance IP 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:3920:992F:79F9:176 seems to be an SPA . Both the Football News Agency and Young Journalists Club of Iran are state bodies, are they not? Do we consider Iranian state media to be a reliable source (genuine question)? And what, if any, relevance does this gentleman have outside the borders of Iran (of interest to anybody reading or using enwiki) or, indeed, of enduring notability INSIDE the borders of Iran? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, my edits here are an exception rather than the rule; my attendance was bought about by the highlighting of this case at AN/I. That in itself wouldn't have been sufficient for me to post—I don't think IP editing is usually particularly necessary and/or beneficial to AfD—but the outrageously poor—phenomenally outrageously poor, in fact—nomination statement (comprising as it did a litany of non-arguments, complaint and general assumptions) certainly needed addressing, particularly on account that it was made by a relatively inexperienced editor on this wiki (albeit one who is an admin on fa-wp, where one has to assume standards are rather different). HTH. 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:ED40:DFAB:9D73:1D7 (talk) 10:38, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * on your question about state media and other media closely state-aligned in Iran: there certainly are topics where we would need to be very careful about relying on them, but not in this article. Setting aside the question of photography, this article has two essential parts. Firstly, the subject held a number of official sports positions. The fact that he held them is supported by ‘official’ sources. The fact that he held these positions is not in doubt or question, but they certainly don’t make him notable and if that’s all there was in this article I’d vote delete. The second part is his public claim of corruption in official Iranian sports, which gained some attention in ‘non-official’ media. So for me the issues with this article aren’t about the sources, they’re about 1. Whether the coverage of the claims, taken together with the other parts of the article, make him notable (I think they do) and 2. Whether the article is the product of paid editing. I’ve no idea; the fa.wiki editors seem convinced there is, but no evidence has been produced to support this claim. To me, given that the article subject is a press officer, he’d need to be pretty rubbish at his job if he needed to pay someone to create this. A question that hasn’t been raised in this discussion so far is who would benefit from the deletion of an article that contained allegations of corruption in Iranian football. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 19:14, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment I added Refs 3,26,27,28 and 29 that shows his notability as an accredited sports photographer. --Sajjadimanian (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * @Sajjadimanian Your bio says you are the "Director of AFC Social media (Persian)". AFC being the Asian Football Confederation. Sorry, your candour is commendable, but you should be nowhere near this topic (and particularly not articles you have edited such as 2019 AFC Asian Cup - even more so as a new account created in October and active principally since this article was flagged as not notable - a number of your edits here are clearly COI and everything you have said in this discussion and every edit to this article you have made should be, to my understanding of COI editing, struck. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:48, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment The more this goes on, the less it adds up to me. We're told and, yet looking at the page, the deletions were M7 (equivalent to en-WP:A7) i.e An article about a real person who does not show the importance of the subject. M7/A7 is not discussed and the criteria is that the article doesn't show notability, as opposed to an AfD where it is discussed and the criteria is the subject is not notable, whether it's demonstrated on the page or not. I'm also getting concerned about the repeated, unsubstantiated claims of sockpuppetry and paid editing. This seems to me to be in contravention of the Arbitration Committee's decisions listed at WP:ASPERSIONS. --John B123 (talk) 20:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * John, would you please check this page, these are CU blocks, I am really hopeful enwiki CU would also take a look at this IPs and accounts coming to this thread. Mardetanha (talk) 20:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've made a request for this to be looked into, however, I still think investigating after the accusations have been publicly made is not the way it should work. --John B123 (talk) 21:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I take your point, John B123 but this has come to enwiki after a long history at fawiki and looked from the very start like a mess. Getting to the bottom of that mess was beyond me and many others, given that it's a Farsi speaking mess of considerable duration and seeming complexity! The Google translate of the Check User Mardetanha shared is, by the way, a delight - some gems including, "Please get rid of my bald head. I do not like to see notifications related to you on my email. Wikifa is full of sick edemas who want to make up for their personal shortcomings here." and "It is far from justice and politeness to see everyone with one eye and call them sick." In between enwiki editors trying to make sense of this, you have some irate fawiki users, some seeming SPA IPs, certainly a COI editor and a lot of fur flying. I admit, it's beyond me to work out what's going on - other than that something is most certainly going on. If it took some wild accusations to have someone more experienced with the right tools to look into it and unravel it, I'd tend towards the view that the end eclipsed the means. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 03:41, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear en-wiki editors, please be informed that users blocking is the way for some fa-wiki admins to stop people whom are against them. They accuse you by unsubstantiated claims of sockpuppetry and paid editing, because they don't have any other way to stop you. To be clear, If you behave against them, they will block your account and they don't let you contribute anymore. This is how they control fa-wiki. User Mardetanha is an admin in fa-wiki, but unfortunately he lies here, he said they deleted this article after a discussion, but as you can check, the article in fa-wiki was speedy deleted, and anyone who contributed in has been blocked. Fortunately I live in USA and I'm not afraid of them, the mafia of fa-wiki don't have any access to me, but they blocked my account there in fa-wiki for ever without any evidence. I hope one day some one from Wiki foundation investigate fa-wiki and that day, everyone will understand about the dark reality of administration in fa-wki. With respect to all true editors of farsi wikipedia.--Thedunker66 (talk) 11:14, 4 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yet another CU blocked account Mardetanha (talk) 12:34, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * losers usually trying to use dirtiest ways to pull down their enemies! here is not fa-wiki and you are not an administrator. you think anyone who is not agree with you is sockpuppetry or paid editor. you accuse anyone with unsubstantiated claims and you don't have any evidence. Sadly You are a liar and I'm sorry for fa-wiki because you are an administrator there ! by the way, WP:GNG is very clear, maybe you don't like to see! --Sajjadimanian (talk) 12:58, 4 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin: Of the current "Keep" !votes, one is the article creator, two are SPA IPs, (at least) two are sockpuppets CU-blocked on FA-wiki, and (at least) one appears to have been canvassed (did not edit EN-wiki until this AFD was filed). Softlavender (talk) 04:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * So that just leaves me then..... Mccapra (talk) 05:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Dear Softlavender, unsubstantiated claims are something usual in fa-wiki. there is no evidence, before investigations done, it is not fair to accuse someone. fa-wiki is another project and they (fa-wiki mafia) don't let independent editors to contribute there. If one editor (who lied here and everyone can see) has problem with the subject of article or anyone else, it's his problem, not the article! After all, WP:GNG is very very clear and I honestly believe this article certainly pass notability guidelines. --Sajjadimanian (talk) 10:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sajjadimanian, since you are one of the users blocked for sockpuppetry on FA-wiki, your opinion does not carry much weight here. And you have a COI with this subject, since you are the "Director of the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) social media (Persian)" . Your accusations of other editors only exacerbate your own problems. Softlavender (talk) 10:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * First, they blocked my account in fa-wiki without any evidence, even without any investigations! Then, here is based on Notability Guidelines, not fa-wiki. An admin of fa-wiki who voted "delete" is a liar, he lies here in front of all involved editors ( and, yet looking at the page, the deletions were M7 (equivalent to en-WP:A7) i.e An article about a real person who does not show the importance of the subject This shows that fa-wiki admin Mardetanha is lying. I have nothing to say more, everything is clear and fortunately here is a different project than fa-wiki. --Sajjadimanian (talk) 12:12, 5 November 2020 (UTC)  Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting in hopes that more editors with an established enwiki editing history will weigh in. There has been some productive discussion about whether available sources satisfy GNG or not and further discussion of that type might help this to reach consensus.
 * Comment 2 new reliable sources from Etemad Newspaper added (refs. 25 and 26) regards.--Thedunker66 (talk) 09:42, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep the subject meets WP:GNG. -- KartikeyaS (talk) 18:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:43, 6 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: Meets WP:GNG, WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV. - Roger editor (talk) 10:46, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Blocked for spamming, likely WP:UPE. MER-C 15:12, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The first references (1 to 9) shows that he was a sport photographer and interpreter; References "10,11,12,13,15,18,19,20,21 and 28" are clearly the main subject of reliable sources. References 32 and 33 are about him as the main subject in title, which is about his responsibility in Rio 2016 Summer Olympic Games. References 22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31 are about his revelation about the corruptions in Iran National football team; references 34,35,36 and 37 mentioned about his photo contest award in 2007; then Certainly pass WP:GNG and WP:BIO. All contents are very clear.--Thedunker66 (talk) 12:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * strong delete as per and the other native farsi speakers who can attest to the reliability, or rather lack of reliability of the sources and lack of coverage. Praxidicae (talk) 14:30, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep for reasons cited by User:Roger editor and User:Thedunker66. Meets WP:GNG.  WP:Preserve and WP:Not paper.  Further, we are here suffering from language-related Systemic bias at Wikipedia.  7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 16:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Thedunker66 canvassing, User:Roger editor blocked and a number of concerns about other contributors to this AfD expressed above by Softlavender and now we are 'suffering from language-related Systemic bias' at enwiki? There's not one single English language source for this person and no consensus, it would appear, as to the reliability/relevance of any Farsi source. Why should this person be notable at enwiki? Why? He was apparently not even notable at fawiki... And his supporters here are a voluble, but deeply dodgy, lot. IMHO. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Your ad hominem argument about the voters, even if true, does not change the notability of the subject. I stand by my !vote.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 19:13, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * how is it ad hominem when both are literally blocked for it?!!? Praxidicae (talk) 02:21, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 7&amp;6=thirteen To be honest, I liked your concern about language-related Systemic bias at Wikipedia, I do share this concert with you but the solution is not to create an article for those who are not notable but help those deserve, I did a lot of searching before coming to AFD, long before this article created, we have been dealing with these people. we should stand united in front of those who wanted to use Wikipedia to promote themselves. Mardetanha (talk) 13:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:Consensus. This article is a Dead letter.  Opposing this is pointless.  Like seeking recounts and filing lawsuits in the 2020 United States presidential election.  It can be done; it will not change the outcome.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 20:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets GNG, esp. later citations show SIGCOV in RS/IS. — Ad Meliora Talk∕Contribs 11:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * DELETE with prejudice. I have been canvassed about this article by Iman Farzin personally on an external forum, and lied to. This person does not deserve a : vanity page. As moderator of the external forum, as soon has he reads my replies he will be banned, and out of principle I believe that his actions on this AFD (and previous ones) have been in bad faith. Timmccloud (talk) 16:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Followup: This AFD gets more and more unbelievable by the day. That external forum I told you about? He just tried to sockpuppet into the forum under a different name! That attempt failed btw. Did I mention DELETE with prejudice, or should I be requesting a SPD due to all the abuse and end this misery immediately? Timmccloud (talk) 19:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Per Praxidicae and Timmccloud. The conduct surrounding this AfD, including voting by sockpuppets and IP with no or few prior edits, and the alleged personal canvassing by the subject on an external forum, is troubling, to say the least. Cbl62 (talk) 18:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:SIGCOV, a subject must have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject; this is not the case here Spiderone  20:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete dubious notability, and was intended to be a promotional piece for the subject. -  F ASTILY   21:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per prax. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 05:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The subject has held a number of jobs and has made certain allegations but these alone do not give the subject a pass of our notability standards so we rely on sources, which I can read sufficiently, courtesy of Chrome, to see there is no significant coverage, no in-depth coverage, of the man himself. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 05:08, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This has caused tremendous disruption across multiple Wikipedias. The sock vote stacking in this AfD is just one example of manipulation and blatent violations. Lady Justice is blindfolded and so should a vote be, but this level of disruption is beyond the pale. GNG is a guideline not a policy (I have no opinion if it passes GNG or not). Calling on WP:IAR (policy) specfically WP:COMMON-sense to put an end to the disruption. -- Green  C  14:12, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I have some sympathy with this POV. Article's not notable anyway and the whole thing's been a disruptive time suck for very little discernable return. Nobody on enwiki cares who he is - apparently nobody of integrity on fawiki does, either. Supporters so far have been bulked up by socks, canvassers and cutpurses/the great blocked in general. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree this has taken far more of everybody's time than the end result justifies and agree with the comments about the socks. However, I don't think that the "delete" side coming over from fa-wiki have covered themselves in glory either. --John B123 (talk) 16:12, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. I didn't mean to beatify through omission. Still believe delete is the way forward, but that very pattern of behaviour you refer to John B123 gives me pause to worry about that course. Actually, I pity the closer... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 03:27, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , have to take my hat off to whoever is brave enough to trawl through all this and close it! --John B123 (talk) 08:10, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I saw this whole issue with this AfD a mile off and I posted about it to WP:AN a while back, it's odd all these delete votes, I don't think that the sources have truly gone through a review, people seem to be avoiding that because of the language barrier. However 37 sources in Farsi, is still 37 sources regardless of the language, the article is heavily over-sourced and that doesn't help. English sources seem to be flat. Yet I still don't see any evidence of paid editing here. All I see is shenanigans from both sides, one starting with the rather oddity of deleting what looks like a possibly valid article for the Farsi language wikipedia, the next coming over to the en.wiki and starting again. Govvy (talk) 11:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * There are a total of maybe 10 sources if we pair down the ones that are blatantly copied from the others and even less (around 2) if we remove the press releases. Most of the sources are literal gossip blurbs that were never substantiated about accusations against Carlos Queiroz, which is ironic considering our own article makes no mentions of those unsubstantiated claims. The accusations of language bias here are laughable, considering we have several native Farsi speakers and it appears that those casting aspersions aren't assuming good faith. And to allay all the ridiculous bad faith claims that us "delete voters" didn't do an adequate before, see source assess below:

Praxidicae (talk) 13:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, I thought I saw a weak keep last time, but I found it a bit hard to analyse the sources correctly. Then it felt like all hell went loose on here! Cheers. Govvy (talk) 13:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I also checked what Praxidicae posted here as a native speaker and I can confirm it is correct and the assessment was fair Mardetanha (talk) 13:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have spent a lot of time this morning cleaning up this article, I've removed the accusations about Queiroz and the federation as they are unsubstantiated and only based on press releases, I've also removed nearly 20 sources because they were identical to the others. There's still more to go but my eyes are tired. Praxidicae (talk) 15:17, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That is one hell of a lot of work to take us to what is increasingly looking like a dead cert "Delete"... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:32, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It is, it was a colossal time sink but it appears its needed given the ridiculous accusations here and the fact that many keep voters did not look at the actual quality of sources instead of quantity. The remaining items are still all based on press releases and passing mentions. None of which qualify for an article. Praxidicae (talk) 15:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - Clearly non-notable, a minor official -- if that. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't read Farsi; I haven't looked at the sources, but only at what the article says on its face. WP:REFBOMBING cannot cloud that, and even suggests that further searching is unnecessary - if the partisans can't find anything worth citing, it probably doesn't exist. As to the assertions of notability - words fail me. Translator for a beach soccer team? former employee of FFIRI? press officer? won 2nd prize in an insignificant photography competition? Gimme a break. Fails WP:NBIO and WP:GNG; this isn't quite WP:A7, but it's damclose to it. Narky Blert (talk) 21:27, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


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