Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Immediate Action Unit


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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Immediate Action Unit

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No reliable sources to verify article WP:VERIFY. Article based on 2004 information from www.specialoperations.com similar to a forum. Newer sources either use similar wording from People's Armed Police that describes all units including IAU or use wording from this article to describe the unit for example "Name frequently changes". Melbguy05 (talk) 09:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment There is a source that has SIGCOV, and two other high quality sources with passing mentions:
 * I'm leaning keeping on this one because I doubt there are no sources in Chinese to pass WP:GNG, but since I don't know the Chinese name to verify, I'm not going to cast a bolded vote on this for now. Jumpytoo Talk 06:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Bennett's 2002 book - the author's comment that it is more than one unit is unusual as well as that they are part of the Ministry of State Security and not the People's Armed Police (PAP). The author describes the unit similar to www.specialoperations.com that it is not comparable to the West, does martials arts and the unit's training emphasis. The author may have used www.specialoperations.com as their source or alternatively the source that was used for www.specialoperations.com such as book. Guo's 2012 book - the author surprisingly does not mention the Snow Leopard Commando Unit as part of the PAP which was reported as being responsible for the security of the 2008 Olympic Games. I can't access the full 2005 Harvard Asia Quarterly article but it's introduction uses the same wording as www.specialoperations.com "is drawn from the police force rather than the military". Oberoi's 2006 book mentions the unit:
 * Oberoi states it was formed in 1982 as Unit 722, was renamed to PAP Special Police Group and "According to one report, it is now called the Immediate Action Unit". Unfortunately, that is all that is available. Wikipedia already has an article for a unit formed in 1982 and named Unit 722 - Special Police Unit of the Chinese People's Armed Police Force. On Baidu Baike the unit formed in 1982 is named as Falcon Commando Unit (猎鹰突击队) the same as a Chinese Wikipedia article zh:中國人民武裝警察部隊獵鷹突擊隊. China officially stated in 2019 that the PAP had three teams: Falcon formed in 1982, Snow Leopard formed in 2002 and a new unit Mountain Eagle. -Melbguy05 (talk) 13:48, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm, yeah I can see the possibility that IAU is actually the Falcon unit, or some subunit. Unfortunately only the source you provided has this association from what I can find and most sources use "Immediate Action Unit" even as passing mention, so a merge/redirect doesn't seem to be a good idea just yet. The English sourcing is quite poor as you noted, and attempted literal translations didn't seem to pop up anything. Am hoping someone else can chime in with more insight or sources. Jumpytoo Talk 00:15, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Bennett's 2002 book - the author's comment that it is more than one unit is unusual as well as that they are part of the Ministry of State Security and not the People's Armed Police (PAP). The author describes the unit similar to www.specialoperations.com that it is not comparable to the West, does martials arts and the unit's training emphasis. The author may have used www.specialoperations.com as their source or alternatively the source that was used for www.specialoperations.com such as book. Guo's 2012 book - the author surprisingly does not mention the Snow Leopard Commando Unit as part of the PAP which was reported as being responsible for the security of the 2008 Olympic Games. I can't access the full 2005 Harvard Asia Quarterly article but it's introduction uses the same wording as www.specialoperations.com "is drawn from the police force rather than the military". Oberoi's 2006 book mentions the unit:
 * Oberoi states it was formed in 1982 as Unit 722, was renamed to PAP Special Police Group and "According to one report, it is now called the Immediate Action Unit". Unfortunately, that is all that is available. Wikipedia already has an article for a unit formed in 1982 and named Unit 722 - Special Police Unit of the Chinese People's Armed Police Force. On Baidu Baike the unit formed in 1982 is named as Falcon Commando Unit (猎鹰突击队) the same as a Chinese Wikipedia article zh:中國人民武裝警察部隊獵鷹突擊隊. China officially stated in 2019 that the PAP had three teams: Falcon formed in 1982, Snow Leopard formed in 2002 and a new unit Mountain Eagle. -Melbguy05 (talk) 13:48, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm, yeah I can see the possibility that IAU is actually the Falcon unit, or some subunit. Unfortunately only the source you provided has this association from what I can find and most sources use "Immediate Action Unit" even as passing mention, so a merge/redirect doesn't seem to be a good idea just yet. The English sourcing is quite poor as you noted, and attempted literal translations didn't seem to pop up anything. Am hoping someone else can chime in with more insight or sources. Jumpytoo Talk 00:15, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm, yeah I can see the possibility that IAU is actually the Falcon unit, or some subunit. Unfortunately only the source you provided has this association from what I can find and most sources use "Immediate Action Unit" even as passing mention, so a merge/redirect doesn't seem to be a good idea just yet. The English sourcing is quite poor as you noted, and attempted literal translations didn't seem to pop up anything. Am hoping someone else can chime in with more insight or sources. Jumpytoo Talk 00:15, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 12:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC) Delete Fails WP:GNG with only the Espionage book Jumpytoo mentioned. It was the one source of significant coverage I could find. Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:55, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Based on the discussion so far, I'd say delete. If we can't even find enough sourcing about the Immediate Action Unit to determine whether or not it's the same as the Falcon Commando Unit (or the Special Police Unit), then I don't think there's enough sourcing to write an informative article. As far as I can tell, no one has even been able to figure out the Chinese-language equivalent of the name "Immediate Action Unit" (I tried searching for literal translations and turned up nothing). —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 10:53, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


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