Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Immigrant deaths along the U.S.-Mexico border


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 17:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Immigrant deaths along the U.S.-Mexico border
This was afd tagged but whoever did it forgot to create the deletion discussion page so I'm doing it now KleenupKrew 11:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Now that that's fixed: Delete creeping immigrationreformcruft. POV fork.  Will never be NPOV. KleenupKrew 11:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)  Followup comment, we have several (far too many) immigration articles that have been created in the past couple months.  All of them should be merged into a single Immigration to the United States article, which already exists.  I'd give this one a paragraph since it's clearly more notable than the boycott and protest articles; and give the boycott and protests a single sentence each since they'll barely be a footnote 6 months from now.  Wikipedia is not a newspaper. KleenupKrew 00:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. I have no political axe to grind, but the subject of this article is an intersting one: the deaths of nearly 2,000 people in six years. The article may not be quie NPOV, but it apears to me to make a good start at addressing the different types of death involved. If editors have concerns about some bias in the article, they should help to improve it, rather than apparently declaring the subject a no-go area. --BrownHairedGirl 12:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Is that how things work? I create an article that is basicly questionable and biased, and if you are unhappy with that, YOU help me make it a verifiable and objective article... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medico80 (talk • contribs)


 * Delete Due to POV reasons. --Strothra 15:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete due to POV and bad quality. 1652186 18:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Obvious and strong keep per BrownHairedGirl. The deaths of nearly 2,000 people is a clearly notable phenomenon.  POV should be addressed by cleanup, not by deletion.  bikeable (talk) 20:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete It was POV from the beginning. There have been dicussions and attempts to make it a fair and sober article, but it doesn't seem to happen. It was meant as a political statement, and its original creators want it that way, otherwise they would have done the nessecary changes. Medico80 21:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, if verifiable. It's a worthy topic. If there's a political agenda, I missed it, but if you think changes are necessary, go make 'em. TheMadBaron 22:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, This is about the hundreds of people who die every year from dehydration while trying to walk that corridor of death. It's been on the national news many times now. Williamb 00:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep, As I've said before this is a very USEFUL article, and factually correct and the facts are able to be proven.Dark jedi requiem 00:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, but cleanup, add sources, and straighten out the bias. ...Scott5114 00:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, notability is established. Neutrality and quality are not reasons for deletion. A good topic could potentially be written on this and would be very useful especially incomparison to all the pokemon characters we have.   Falphin 02:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOR. Uncited. Stifle (talk) 13:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment this list will invariably be as POV as a List of crimes committed by immigrants or List of people who are victims of crimes convicted by immigrants, but they should stay if they get created and can be verified if the current nominee survives. If those who are "Keepers" above have qualms about these lists, you should analyze your own prejudices or change your votes: immigration has its pluses and minuses and people die both on their way to the US and others are killed by those who successfully get here. Just look at the list at Texas' death row site. Carlossuarez46 23:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Falphin who summarized the matter well. JoshuaZ 00:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Ok, I admit that after Dark jedi requiem's cleanup, it begins to look fair and factual, clear of all those paranoid innuendos about minutemen and stuff. But I still question its right to stand as an independent encyclopedia article. As Carlossuarez46 suggests, if the approach to a topic is too akward from the beginning, it cannot be very NPOV.Medico80 09:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable and verfyable. -- Run e Welsh | &tau;&alpha;&lambda;&kappa; 12:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep but Merge with United States-Mexico border. IMHO, there are very few articles that are inherently POV and this is not one of them.  That notwithstanding, as with all other articles there can be no original research or POV allowed in it. Lawyer2b 00:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand if possible. I recall hearing for quite some time (late 80s) about homocides along the US/Mexico border (speculation at that time being that it was the work of one or more unidentified serial killers). - CNichols 19:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge into one of the articles mentioned above. The current article should not be kept.  Vegaswikian 21:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment What about the title? "Immigrants". Why not "deaths" in general. And are they emi- or immi-grants? Doesn't it depend on which side of the border they are? Doesn't "immi" suggest that they are foreigners to the killers, meaning Americans? 11:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Important topic, address problems with cleanup. Sandy 00:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.