Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Impaled Northern Moonforest (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. No references despite plenty of time to add them to article; questions regarding notability of acoustic black metal have not been answered. Keep arguments return (as does article) to alleged size of fan base. May be a real project, but not a notable one. Daniel Case 16:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Impaled Northern Moonforest (2nd nomination)
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Completing malformed nom; I abstain. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 20:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nominator's statement at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Impaled Northern Moonforest, copied below. Pan Dan 20:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Non-notable joke band created out of boredom. Nalanod 20:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. Notable side-project of notable grindcore musician, Seth Putnam, from the notable band Anal Cunt. ~Inkington 20:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In what way is this a notable side-project? Nalanod 20:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They started the acoustic black metal scene. Yojizu 14:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source, for this statement, or for that matter, for the implied claim that "acoustic black metal" amounts to a notable musical genre? Pete.Hurd 00:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There was a considerably large website/forum dedicated solely to the band that saw frequent traffic since it was created up until mid-2005. A large number of bands attempting to mimic the style of INM were started from this forum, and there still exists a large acoustic black metal network between a few forums as well as countless bands of the genre on Myspace. The band has become a file-sharing phenomenon, producing large numbers of similar bands.
 * The concensus was to delete this page in 2005 -- have they become more notable in the last few years? Nalanod 20:53, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per my 2005 AfD nomination, non-notable side project, no AMG data at all. Even the putatively notable Anal Cunt has no AMG biography. Neither this, nor the Anal Cunt article have any or reliable sources. In fact I see no reliable sources for any of the many Seth Putnam associated articles.  For instance, several different versions of the fishy-sounding overdose/seizure/coma story have appeared in wikipedia articles, none with any reliable sources.  Looks like wikipedia bullshittry, feels like a walled garden, where's the encyclopedic content? Pete.Hurd 20:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I think this is CSDG4, recreation of deleted material, no? Pete.Hurd 21:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. A lack of AMG biography doesn't mean that an act is non-notable. All Music Guide is often quite deficient. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 21:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

In response to Pete.Hurd, this is a link directly from Seth Putnams official site about Impaled Northern Moonforest (http://www.sethputnam.com/inmf.htm). Also, here is a link from the Boston Phoenix website to an article about Seth Putnams overdose with interviews and photos (http://bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/cellars/documents/05023497.asp). If the first one isnt a reliable source, at least the last one is undisputable.
 * Keep. Notable side-project. Very dedicated cult following. Uncountable bands imitate this style (Just google Impaled Northern Moonforest, INM, or acoustic black metal). The article itself was the result of a decision to split it from the main Seth Putnam article. --Deadcrowisland 00:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 23:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment This article was created as a split from Seth Putnam on May 11 2006 (several months after the first AfD). Unfortunately the edit history prior to the split went to Impaled Northern Moonforest, not Seth Putnam. If this article is deleted, I think the GFDL requires the edit history prior to the split to be merged back to Seth Putnam. Pan Dan 11:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable side project. Cult following. Tabs listed on major sites, 2,743 listeners on last.fm (not taking into account alternative spellings). Anal Cunt has 24,132 listeners. Multiple bands (Burzumnaz, Orgh, Morkk Pikk etc.) directly inspired as fan tributes. Record label started directly inspired by band. Suggestion: If you do not know anything about a subject, you are not best qualified to comment on it. I don't edit articles on molecular biology, because I know nothing about it. If you don't know anything about extreme music, you should not be editing articles on Seth Putnam. I can provide journalistic references from long-running international music magazines for Putnams seizure. Or perhaps, you could watch the youtube video  of the first Anal Cunt show after Seth woke from his coma, in which Seth is sitting in a wheelchair, and actually mentions his coma.--KharBevNor 00:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: If an article is written using reliable sources, it won't get sent to AfD. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Pete.Hurd 01:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The number of Google hits is daunting, but when you click through you see there're only about 300 unique hits. I skimmed the first 100, and none appears reliable. Likewise for the one Google news hit, which though in a language I can't read appears to me to user-submitted content. The article is original research. Delete. (Addressing Pete's point about G4, technically, yeah, it's a G4, so if Wikipedia were a bureaucracy I would insist the article be speedied and the discussion moved to deletion review. I'm positive the most ardent supporters of WP:PII would veto that idea :)) Pan Dan 13:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.