Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Impetuous Fire


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merged into Forever and Ever (1977 film) and redirected as per discussion. SkierRMH ( talk ) 02:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Impetuous Fire

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Minor (and unsuccessful) Hong Kong film. No evidence of greater influence, historical impact, or other factors indicating notability, In fact, in its current state, it seems to be functioning as promotional puffery for a minor sub-made-for-television remake starring what appears to be a major recent contributor to said article. Said contributor, unsurprisingly, removed the added PROD tag. CalendarWatcher (talk) 11:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.   —PC78 (talk) 12:27, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - Not seeing where this satisfies a single criteria required by WP:NOTFILM. The article reads like a tedious fanboy blog. Tarc (talk) 14:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - Though the article needs cleanup and referencing, a quick : google search turns up plenty of potential reliable sources to show this is a real film under wide release and there is reason to believe that the sources exist even if the article, in its current state, is below standard. Needing cleanup is not a reason to delete.  --Jayron32. talk . contribs  14:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This is why simplistic google hits are deemed an unreliable argument in AfDs, as they often distort and give the wrong impression that something is actually more popular than it really is. Try reading through some of those links and we see they consist of mail-order entries, Amazon.com, one review by a non-notable amateur karate site, listings IMDb and various film database sites, blogs, angelfire.com personal websites, and so on.  This isn't a question of clean-up, as there is nothing to clean up.  As William Gibson once said, "there ain't no there, there". Tarc (talk) 14:27, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The point is not that any of the sources found in the google search could be used in this article, the point is that the google search shows that the film was in wide enough release to presume that it is highly likely that, if one were to find some 1977 newspapers from Hong Kong, one would likely find the depth of coverage needed to deem this notable. Its not that the google search reveals any of these sources directly, its that it shows that they likely exist.  --Jayron32. talk . contribs  14:32, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to mention, looking on the internet for English sources for 30 year old film in a foreign language from a city that is now part of a country that notoriously censors their internet is kind of...counterintuitive...--Smashvilletalk 14:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That is by far the most ridiculous argument I have ever seen in an AfD. "Lots of google hits show the film is popular enough that there should be sources somewhere" ? Please.  We deal in simple reality here; the reality being, this article fails to meet ANY criteria for notability.  This cannot really be tapdanced around. Tarc (talk) 16:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't going to say anything but Jayron, you and Samashville certainly have valid points. Yes that is the problem with Mandarin/Cantonese language films and, well anything Chinese related on the web. Hong Kong was under the UK at the time and there are numerous Hong Kong films which do have details in english but a large proportion don't. The film is listed in all of the mainstream film sites plus it is directed by John Law who directed under Shaw Studio, responsible for producing some of Bruce Lee's films and unquestionable the biggest film studio in eastern Asia during this period. Law worked with Run Run Shaw, a noted film producer by world cinema standards for much of the 1970s. Alan Tang and Candice Yu (wife of Chow Yun Fat are both notable actors too. It just needs to be rewritten and problems addressed with Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 14:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Turns out the film is more commonly known as Forever and Ever (1977 film) Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 15:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Could we just set up a redirect to the more common name, and declare the matter closed?!? --Jayron32. talk . contribs  16:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead mate Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 16:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.