Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/In the Whale


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. North America1000 05:56, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

In the Whale

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Virtually all of the references in this article are to announcements for tour dates and album releases. One of the few which is not comes from a college newspaper and describes the group as bland and uninteresting. One of the few others comes from source whose author is named "Poncho" (dubious reliability). It's an impressively long list of references...  Too, long, really, and together they do not seem to add up to bona fide notability as defined by non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable independent publications. KDS 4444 Talk  19:38, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Good afternoon, this was my first attempt at a Wikipedia post. I based this post on no less than 5 other artist profiles and obtained press articles that had further reach than the posts they had listed. Referencing your comment about the "bland and uninteresting review" it was added to show unbiased posting. I found about 150 articles about the band and could add others if you think that makes sense. Please let me know. I would really like to be a part of the community DannyRuth (talk) 19:47, 16 November 2015 (UTC) DannyRuth
 * Welcome to wikipedia, I just wanted to say that AfD can be hard to understand for new editors, so please don't take it personally that your first page ended up here. It happened to all of us. Next time you are probably better to read WP:YFA and get some help by submitting your article for review (which means someone will have a look at it before it goes live). The reason the article has ended up here is that press releases are considered weak evidence to cite on a page (basically people can say any old crap on a press release, their own website or blog - so we tend to value independent secondary sources for information, like a newspaper article or book). Again, please don't give up, this system is just about quality checking articles, not any kind of attack on you.  Please ask for help! Best JMWt (talk) 20:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak delete per nominator. Re: "I based this post on no less than 5 other artist profiles": please note that the existence of similar content is not a valid argument for inclusion. The page creator may have "150 articles" about the band, but we only need a few, so long as their coverage is significant, reliable, and establishes that the subject meets WP:BAND. What we have so far may come close, but I don't think it's there. —Swpbtalk 20:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

I understand, I have started to remove the press releases with more content from reliable sources. I will continue to edit as I can.DannyRuth (talk) 21:00, 16 November 2015 (UTC)DannyRuth


 * Ok, I have added the following: 1. an article from LA Weekly touching on the band's relationship with Red Bull and the producers of their new record "neighbor". 2. An article from 9news (the Denver Colorado NBC affiliate about the band playing Lollapalooza. I reviewed the nobility rules and they are extremely subjective. I understand the existence of similar content is not a valid argument but with that being the case, I don't understand how an article on "The Great Southern BrainFart" (seen on one of those aforementioned pages) is a valid inclusion where as a Punk News article listing the band's tour dates is not. I'm not trying to argue, I just want help understanding the subjectivity aspect of the process. I appreciate all your input here. Thank you to all of you!DannyRuth (talk) 21:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)DannyRuth
 * On that basis, I say keep - ideally would have an article with an in-depth story on the band, but I'd say a good collection of reviews in sensible music media is pretty good. The page still needs a copy edit to make it more neutral as per WP:NPOV JMWt (talk) 21:28, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * would you think this is more acceptable? http://pueblopulp.com/in-the-whale-on-the-rise this is an in depth story on the band from Southern Colorado (where the vocalist is from). Thanks again for all your help, we were asked to find artists and musicians from our state and attempt to create them wiki pages for a class assignment. My info was approved from my classmates but this has been a real challenge! thanks againDannyRuth (talk) 22:02, 16 November 2015 (UTC)DannyRuth
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. --  Ascii002  ( talk  ·  contribs  ·  guestbook ) 03:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. --  Ascii002  ( talk  ·  contribs  ·  guestbook ) 03:15, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. sst✈discuss 05:03, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete for now (the lowest I would go is weak keep or weak delete) as the best I found was this and this and for a local band, that may be acceptable but hardly much for a better article at this time. I would suggest drafting and userfying for now. SwisterTwister   talk  06:26, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - coverage in mainstream media, but more indepth coverage would be desirable. Jonpatterns (talk) 12:17, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Are there any suggestions that you can make for me to improve this submission? I have added several more in-depth articles "Pueblo Pulp" (a southern Colorado lifestyle magazine and several other listings. I am open to any and all suggestions. Thanks for all the help!DannyRuth (talk) 15:50, 17 November 2015 (UTC)DannyRuth
 * I reviewed Wikipedia:Notability_(music) and one thing mentioned was if an artist is considered a cornerstone of their local music scene. If the artist has won Best Rock Band by Westword three years in a row, is that considered notable? Thanks again all. DannyRuth (talk) 16:17, 17 November 2015 (UTC)DannyRuth
 * Keep Has enough media coverage including some reliable sources to qualify the notability rule. Sagarissweet (talk) 19:11, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Onel 5969  TT me 15:15, 23 November 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 06:28, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


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