Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Incidents during Caribana


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Scotiabank Caribbean Carnival Toronto. This article can remain a redirect to the main article for attribution purposes. &mdash;SW&mdash; verbalize 01:24, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Incidents during Caribana

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Perhaps some of this content can be fitted into the parent, but this one, as it stands, is unencyclopedic: we are neither the news nor a gathering of news items. Drmies (talk) 04:02, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 05:50, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * A timeline of every single criminal incident that happened (or is alleged to have happened) at one particular community festival is certainly something we don't need. Delete as unencyclopedic trivia. Bearcat (talk) 05:50, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Unfortunately, violence is so recurrent at Caribana that a large segment of the public knows Caribana as much for stabbings, shootings, etc as they do for the magnificent costumes. Google "caribana violence", there's 426,000 results. Before this article existed, undue weight was being put on the incidents in the main article. With this article, the incidents can be summarized in the main article, fully explained elsewhere. I fail to see how police enacting a "curfew by race" in Toronto is unencyclopedic trivia. --  Zanimum (talk) 15:43, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The article, as written, is nothing more than a timeline of individual incidents that involved emergency responders in some way or another. It provides no context for why this might actually be an encyclopedic topic, such as an examination of how the complex history of police and media relations with the Black Canadian community might influence the coverage. It just lists a bunch of specific incidents that aren't individually notable, including some which have no connection to violence whatsoever — nobody has any need for a permanent record of how many people suffered from heatstroke in 1993, frex, or of one goofball jumping off a boat, trying to swim for shore and drowning accidentally in the process. A "curfew by race", if properly sourced, might be worth mentioning in the main article, but that doesn't make a separate spinoff just to keep a year-by-year timeline of individual incidents a necessary or useful thing for an encyclopedia to maintain. If the incidents are getting undue weight in the main article, then the solution is to remove them, not to spin them off into their own separate article — we don't need most of this content anywhere. Bearcat (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You start your comment with "The article, as written..." But isn't deletion supposed to be based on the notability of the topic -- not on the article's current state?  Incorporation of "an examination of the history" of Police, media and the black community interaction at Caribana is possible, but care would have to be exercised to avoid lapses from NPOV, VER and original research.  I think it would have been better if the concerns of those who argue for delete or merge here had been raised on the talk page, or through editorial tags, first rather than immediately jump to afd.  If attempts to address them failed, then deletion might be an appropriate next step.  Geo Swan (talk) 22:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge with the main Caribana article. Lots of larger festivals worldwide have "incidents" that would make lists a lot longer than this one. No need for individual articles for all those lists. This particular one isn't really noteworthy or remarkable. If it's really worth mentioning, it can be summarized and tacked onto the main article on the festival itself. OttawaAC (talk) 23:42, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge with Scotiabank Caribbean Carnival Toronto, aka the main article. There's no need to have a separate article for the incidents - the main article isn't particularly long.  After it's merged, then the Incidents article should be deleted.   PK  T (alk)  15:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge as above to Caribana (I'll still call it that and they shouldn't have bowed to the threats). Not enough material to warrant forking from the main article. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  14:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alpha_Quadrant   (talk)  04:05, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge verified information to Scotiabank Caribbean Carnival Toronto, which is concise enough to not become overly long per this suggested merge. Northamerica1000(talk) 17:33, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I find Zanimum's arguments about WP:UNDUE convincing. I agree with floydian we should keep calling the festival "Caribana".  Geo Swan (talk) 21:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I pasted a paragraph from this article into Trillium_(ship,_1913). One interpretation of our policy on attribution would require keeping the contribution history of Incidents during Caribana, in order to preserve a record of who contributed to that paragraph.  Geo Swan (talk) 21:19, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge back into parent article. - Frankie1969 (talk) 15:16, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.